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enuttage · 06-15-2005, 01:24 PM

I don't like him, but I'll begrudgingly say that IF he sticks around for a couple more years and doesn't tank completely, his career, minus the strikeouts, compares favorably to Tom Seaver's. Which is HOF-worthy, IMO.

Was he great? I don't think so.

Was he consistently good. Absolutely.

Do I feel it's a disservice to Clemens, Maddux, Johnson and Martinez to have him in their HOF class? You bet.

I think he's a very good, forgettable pitcher. He never had an ERA under 3.xx, he never struckout a ton of guys (though not too shabby), since being with the Yankees, you can throw his win totals out the door (discounted or not here, they'll count for something with voters - as has been mentioned).

Some other similar careers, just at first glance at surface numbers, would be Carl Hubbell, Juan Marichal, Ron Guidry and Jim Palmer.

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enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I don't like him, but I'll begrudgingly say that IF he sticks around for a couple more years and doesn't tank completely, his career, minus the strikeouts, compares favorably to Tom Seaver's. Which is HOF-worthy, IMO. Was he great? I don't think so. Was he consistently good. Absolutely. Do I feel it's a disservice to Clemens, Maddux, Johnson and Martinez to have him in their HOF class? You bet. I think he's a very good, forgettable pitcher. He never had an ERA under 3.xx, he never struckout a ton of guys (though not too shabby), since being with the Yankees, you can throw his win totals out the door (discounted or not here, they'll count for something with voters - as has been mentioned). Some other similar careers, just at first glance at surface numbers, would be Carl Hubbell, Juan Marichal, Ron Guidry and Jim Palmer. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."