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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick
But the thing is, you can't discount stuff like that because in the end the BBWAA, not the stathead community, is going to decide who gets in the Hall and who stays out.
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Well I thought the debate was "is he deserving?" rather than "will the idiots put him in?"
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For me, a guy with just 413 GS through last year needs to be at the Sandy Koufax level for me to really seriously consider him for the Hall.
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Why? Koufax started 100 less games than Moose in an era that pitchers started close to 40 games per season. If anything, the amount of games pitched should be discounted for Moose.
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A full season puts his GS about equal with Whitey Ford, who did get in on the basis of his dominance over a relatively short career (on his 3rd attempt, mind you), so it is pretty close. Of course, Ford had the highest winning percentage of any 20th century pitcher; that and the pinstripes he wore (which, of course, contributed to the first bit) are why he's in there.
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Moose pitched a similar amount of games as Ford... this is true. However, if you really put the numbers into context he had a better career. Soon after Ford started declining, we moved into the great pitchers' era of 62-68, creating the illusion that he was dominant all the way through age 38 if you just look at the raw numbers. His career NRA and DERA are both higher than Moose's.