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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick
In fact, if I had to pick between career ERA and career W-L to figure out which pitchers were better, I'd take the latter any day of the week.
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Well I wouldn't use either without looking at context of the era for ERA. After doing so, I think you'd be a fool to choose W-L record over that.
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Originally Posted by randomlefty10
Maybe because most pitchers have the goal of winning the game, not keeping their ratio low or striking out a lot of hitters. Not that I think W-L is the end-all of tradition, but the sabermetrics seeming venimous view of W-L is just as dumb IMO.
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Pitchers are only responsible for a portion of the game. How the hell could Pedro Martinez control his relievers imploding after leaving them with leads in the 2003 season that left him with just 14 wins? Or Randy Johnson, who was the best pitcher in the NL last year with a 16-14 record because he got negative run support?