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Originally Posted by Skipaway
However, when was the issue ever about pitchers who've reached a certain point? I mean, you got a great spread of Hall of Fame starters with win numbers from 145-511 here. W-L is VERY useless to decide if someone like Don Drysdale or Jack Morris or Dennis Martinez or David Wells or Vida Blue should be in the Hall. So what's the use of it?
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The only use of it I see is to compare pitchers to see who was better over the course of their career. Obviously WARP3 does a better job, but one does not always have access to WARP3 and what is more, one does not always have the ability to explain it to the uninitiated.
As for Jack Morris or Dennis Martinez or David Wells or Vida Blue, none of those four players are getting in on their stats alone. I could make a case for each, but the numbers they put up would only be peripheral to them. If you wanted to compare them to Don Drysdale to see who's better, then you could use W-L as one of many ways. "Who's better" has, as I've been saying, little impact on HOF worthiness as defined by the voting habits of the BBWAA or the Veterans' Committee.