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Moocow · 01-11-2003, 01:22 AM

I'm fairly sure OOTP4's definition of a save opportunity is incorrect. A pitcher with 10 saves, 10 holds, and 0 blown saves does NOT have a 50% save pct. He has a 100% save pct.

If you want an example of this, see one of ESPN's team pitching stats pages. The Chicago White Sox are a good example since they had a closer-by-committee system last year and a number of their pitchers recorded saves in addition to holds.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teampitchstats?team=chw

Here's a few examples:

Keith Foulke -- 11 Sv, 8 Hld, 3 BS, 14 SvOp (not 22 SvOp)
Damaso Marte -- 10 Sv, 14 Hld, 2 BS, 12 SvOp (not 26 SvOp)
Antonio Osuna -- 11 Sv, 9 Hld, 3 BS, 14 SvOp (not 23 SvOp)

And so on. I think ESPN's definition Jason gives is incomplete. A different site (http://www16.brinkster.com/bbstats/glossary.html) defines a save opportunity as saves plus blown saves. This makes much more sense than Holds being counted against your Save Pct.

I hope this can be fixed for OOTP5.

01-11-2003, 01:22 AM	#16 (permalink)
Moocow Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 15	I'm fairly sure OOTP4's definition of a save opportunity is incorrect. A pitcher with 10 saves, 10 holds, and 0 blown saves does NOT have a 50% save pct. He has a 100% save pct. If you want an example of this, see one of ESPN's team pitching stats pages. The Chicago White Sox are a good example since they had a closer-by-committee system last year and a number of their pitchers recorded saves in addition to holds. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teampitchstats?team=chw Here's a few examples: Keith Foulke -- 11 Sv, 8 Hld, 3 BS, 14 SvOp (not 22 SvOp) Damaso Marte -- 10 Sv, 14 Hld, 2 BS, 12 SvOp (not 26 SvOp) Antonio Osuna -- 11 Sv, 9 Hld, 3 BS, 14 SvOp (not 23 SvOp) And so on. I think ESPN's definition Jason gives is incomplete. A different site (http://www16.brinkster.com/bbstats/glossary.html) defines a save opportunity as saves plus blown saves. This makes much more sense than Holds being counted against your Save Pct. I hope this can be fixed for OOTP5.