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Originally Posted by jbone
I have said on previous posts that I do enjoy this game and that is why I buy it. SI does a lot of great things, and can release great products, and I always look forward to them. I'm always eager to buy the game and experience it. And I did hope that the ootp release would be different. And that is a rosy-eyed view perhaps in retrospect, but I always do hope for the best, it's my personality. But I do think it is unethical to release a beta-version of the game and call it the real thing. That is all, that is the bottom line, there is nothing else to it.
Is there anyone who disagrees with that?
If there is, please tell me why, as opposed to bashing my buying habits or insulting the game of soccer. I just want to know why you think you are right; who knows? Maybe then I'd change my viewpoint.
Is there anyone out there with a rational argument that they can give me as to why SI Games release practices are ethical? That is all I want to know at this point.
Jamie
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I can only speak for me so FWIW.
I agree that ootp 2006 should have been delayed or perhaps preorders offered a beta build a week or two earlier. My probelm isn't calling out on this issue though I think everyone has commented, including Marc Duffy, saying it was a mistake. Kind of a dead horse and time to move on IMHO. Too me it's more of a question of where do we go from here?
I take issue with you in you seem to think that FM and EHM of this year were in the same release state as ootp and I don't think that is true at all. FM and EHM, at least to me , were playable and enjoyable out of the box. Some of
EHM's issues were due to the new labor agreement in the NHL. Riz was upfront on that issue and said since nobody outside the NHL really knew what was in or out of the agreement there would be some problems. YMMV but neither were any where close to the state ot oopt 2006.
With regard to oopt I have found every version up 'til now to be both playable and enjoyable out of the box (been buying since v4). I too look at things as the glass being half full so am willing to understand a lot of issues are because of the rewrite. I fully expect and will be surprised if we don't go back to playable out of the box next year.
Maybe you are more picky than I on what is playable or unethical. I can understand your argument on this years ootp, I think we all wish it was different. This is my first year buying SI games after many years of hearing how good FM was, so it's all I have to go on. But I found nothing unethical about the release of either FM of EHM. Both were playable, enjoyable, and patched in a timely manner using feedback from players of the games. I'm afraid in today's world with the complexity of the new games that is going to have to do. If a guy is unhappy with the patch process (this is all games not just SI) of getting games in shape it is then indeed smart to just wait IMHO.
That is not bashing your buying habits (which I'm really not trying to do, just trying to understand if you feel so burned why you come back or at least don't wait) its simply advice and something I know many here do.
If you want unethincal take a look at Maximum Football. No demos, no refunds, and as far as I know one patch and then let it die.