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JCWeb · 08-10-2006, 03:21 PM

Division Profile

Total boxers: 109 Real-life: 56 TCs: 53

RL by Career Stage:
End - 2
Post- 7
Prime- 26
Pre- 15
Beginner - 6 (4 New in 1913)

Rated: 39
800+: 6
500+: 19
200+: 34

Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1912 in parens)
Champ: Freddie Welsh 26-5-1 (17) (1320) (+1)
1. Jack Blackburn 46-6-1 (18) (1300) (-1)
2. Jem Driscoll 43-7 (29) (1128) (+1)
3. Battling Nelson 57-12 (28) (1121) (-1)
4. Lockport Jimmy Duffy 21-2 (12) (945) (+1)
5. Willie Ritchie 22-6-1 (9) (844) (+12)
6. Young Erne 36-16-3 (14) (759) (-2)
7. Kid Black 32-16-2 (15) (699) (NC)
8. Harlem Tommy Murphy 26-12-1 (10) (671) (+2)
9. Matty Baldwin 29-13-2 (19) (669) (-3)
10. Fighting Dick Hyland 26-14-3 (665) (-1)

Comments: Everyone listed still at Prime, except Nelson who is at Post (this is based on retirement points at 30 or less, not his RL retirement year which was not until 1920). Maybe some ratings inflation, but LW is the deepest division numbers-wise and recently the top four guys haven't been losing to anyone except each other. Welsh has now won five in a row, his last loss to Driscoll who obviously would like to regain the WBA belt. Blackburn has won four in a row since his last loss, to Welsh. Driscoll has won four in a row since he lost the title in a 1911 bout with Young Erne. Nelson has begun to show signs of aging in his TKO loss to Welsh, that coming after successive wins versus Frank Erne, Aussie Herb McCoy, and Canadian Fighting Dick Hyland. Duffy was 2-1 on the year, enough to maintain his top 5 status despite losing the NABF belt to Blackburn. His TKO 5 win over Knockout Brown was his most impressive result of 1912. Ritchie leapfrogged into the Top 10, going 3-0 for the year, beating Douglas, Young Erne (gaining over 200 pp from this one fight), and finally Kid Black for the USBA belt. Young Erne registered a SD win over aging vet Jewey Cooke but then faltered, losing to Ritchie and Welsh. Black was 3-2 for the year, bouncing back after the Ritchie loss with wins over two lower ranked guys, Young Tommy Coleman and Chicago Dave Barry. Harlem Tommy Murphy suffered a MD 10 loss to Ad Wolgast but won two since then to put himself back in the picture. Baldwin stays up despite a 1-2 year (losing via DQ to Bronson as well as the title bout versus Blackburn) and Hyland hangs on despite a 2-2 year, his big win coming against Charley White. Note how close the pps are between guys in the bottom half of the Top 10.

Other Notables: Knockout Brown at #11 missed out on a shot at Top 10 status when he was TKO'd by Duffy -- his record is 20-5-1 (14); wins versus White and Wolgast highlighted his year. Ray Bronson is next up, losing in a title bid and only managing a draw with Aussie Herb McCoy. Wolgast, who seemed poised to make a move, defeated Jewey Cooke and Harlem Tommy Murphy, but the TKO loss to Knockout Brown has derailed his progress, at least temporarily. Charley White took a big tumble out of the Top 10, dropping nine spots to #17, with a dismal 0-3-1 year, losing to Hyland, KO Brown and FW champ Abe Attell. Cooke's slide continued as he has now lost 7 of his last 8, the only win versus a TC -- he is at #16 and a return to the top 10 seems unlikely. Aussie Herb McCoy got off to a 16-0 start before facing some tougher competition, dropping a MD 10 to Battling Nelson and drawing with Bronson. He debuts at #14, one spot behind Wolgast. Also new to the list this time are Phil Cross, debuting at #25 with a 15-3 (11) record, losing his last bout to Young Donahue after a strong KO win over prospect Joe Shugrue; and Willie Beecher, who checks in with a 13-5 (3) mark in the #30 spot, downing journeyman Johnny Frayne after losses to Kid Farmer and Mexican Joe Rivers earlier in the year. Finally, mention must be made of GBU champ Phil Bloom, who despite a 15-1 (7) mark, is only ranked #32 with just 230 pp. Why? His one loss (on a cuts stoppage) was to TC Nick Scanlon, and Scanlon actually beat a second RL opponent (Gilbert Gallant) on a foul, so he is ranked at #27 despite an overall 5-11-1 (1) record!

Prospects: Set to move into the rankings list soon is Mexican Joe Rivers, off to a fine 14-0 (8) start, scoring a KO 2 over Beecher to go win UD 10 wins against Shugrue, Terry Brooks and Special Delivery Hirsch -- looks like some stiffer competition is in order. Aussie Alf Goodwin is 13-1 (9), his only loss a MD 10 to Shugrue but he did defeat aging vet Art Simms in his last bout (and it turned out to be Simms' very last bout -- see retirement list below). Shugrue has had some tough fights already, and he stands at 10-3-1 (5) but is winless in his last three -- his best recent win was a TKO over Phil Cross. ATG Benny Leonard I have been bringing along slowly, but he has been very impressive compiling a 11-0 (8) mark thus far, defeating two real-life guys (Gene Delmont and Bobby Waugh) in addition to the TCs. Canadian Gilbert Gallant is 12-1 (6), the only set back that loss to TC Scanlon referenced above. Still unbeaten is Joe Welling at 8-0 (5), all versus TCs except for a win over Delmont. Rocky Kansas at 6-0 (6) and Frenchman Louis de Ponthieu at 5-0 (1) have prospered versus a steady diet of TCs.

Retirements: ATG LW Champ Gans is referenced in the prior WW post. Two others called it quits in 1912:

Frank Erne (SUI) 1891-1912 45-27-4 (30) WBA Champ highest rank: 3
Art Simms (USA) 1898-1912 27-31-1 (15) USBA Champ highest rank: 9

Note: These "highest rank" numbers refer to year-end ranks, as I obviously haven't tried to keep track on a more frequent basis.

Looking Ahead: Despite the pp gap between the 3-4 top guys and the rest, I still see this as a pretty fluid division and would not be surprised to see someone not even in the Top 10 at this point -- a guy like Wolgast, perhaps, to emerge. Ritchie who is already Top 10 looks like a title threat as well. A Welsh vs Driscoll rematch would appeal to the British fans. Look for Nelson to fade as his skills diminish, just as has happened with Jewey Cooke who was Top 5 for a long time until he hit Post-Prime. I'm deliberately bringing Benny Leonard along slowly, don't expect any title bouts until he hits Prime after 20 bouts. It maybe a different story for Mexican Joe Rivers, possibly. Look for Aussies McCoy and Goodwin to contend for the CBU crown, particularly if Driscoll vacates it should he manage to take on and defeat Welsh for the WBA title. Four new fighters (all Americans) join the ranks in 1913, led by Lew Tendler and Ever Hammer.

08-10-2006, 03:21 PM	#108 (permalink)
JCWeb All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 716	1912-Lightweights Part II Division Profile Total boxers: 109 Real-life: 56 TCs: 53 RL by Career Stage: End - 2 Post- 7 Prime- 26 Pre- 15 Beginner - 6 (4 New in 1913) Rated: 39 800+: 6 500+: 19 200+: 34 Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1912 in parens) Champ: Freddie Welsh 26-5-1 (17) (1320) (+1) 1. Jack Blackburn 46-6-1 (18) (1300) (-1) 2. Jem Driscoll 43-7 (29) (1128) (+1) 3. Battling Nelson 57-12 (28) (1121) (-1) 4. Lockport Jimmy Duffy 21-2 (12) (945) (+1) 5. Willie Ritchie 22-6-1 (9) (844) (+12) 6. Young Erne 36-16-3 (14) (759) (-2) 7. Kid Black 32-16-2 (15) (699) (NC) 8. Harlem Tommy Murphy 26-12-1 (10) (671) (+2) 9. Matty Baldwin 29-13-2 (19) (669) (-3) 10. Fighting Dick Hyland 26-14-3 (665) (-1) Comments: Everyone listed still at Prime, except Nelson who is at Post (this is based on retirement points at 30 or less, not his RL retirement year which was not until 1920). Maybe some ratings inflation, but LW is the deepest division numbers-wise and recently the top four guys haven't been losing to anyone except each other. Welsh has now won five in a row, his last loss to Driscoll who obviously would like to regain the WBA belt. Blackburn has won four in a row since his last loss, to Welsh. Driscoll has won four in a row since he lost the title in a 1911 bout with Young Erne. Nelson has begun to show signs of aging in his TKO loss to Welsh, that coming after successive wins versus Frank Erne, Aussie Herb McCoy, and Canadian Fighting Dick Hyland. Duffy was 2-1 on the year, enough to maintain his top 5 status despite losing the NABF belt to Blackburn. His TKO 5 win over Knockout Brown was his most impressive result of 1912. Ritchie leapfrogged into the Top 10, going 3-0 for the year, beating Douglas, Young Erne (gaining over 200 pp from this one fight), and finally Kid Black for the USBA belt. Young Erne registered a SD win over aging vet Jewey Cooke but then faltered, losing to Ritchie and Welsh. Black was 3-2 for the year, bouncing back after the Ritchie loss with wins over two lower ranked guys, Young Tommy Coleman and Chicago Dave Barry. Harlem Tommy Murphy suffered a MD 10 loss to Ad Wolgast but won two since then to put himself back in the picture. Baldwin stays up despite a 1-2 year (losing via DQ to Bronson as well as the title bout versus Blackburn) and Hyland hangs on despite a 2-2 year, his big win coming against Charley White. Note how close the pps are between guys in the bottom half of the Top 10. Other Notables: Knockout Brown at #11 missed out on a shot at Top 10 status when he was TKO'd by Duffy -- his record is 20-5-1 (14); wins versus White and Wolgast highlighted his year. Ray Bronson is next up, losing in a title bid and only managing a draw with Aussie Herb McCoy. Wolgast, who seemed poised to make a move, defeated Jewey Cooke and Harlem Tommy Murphy, but the TKO loss to Knockout Brown has derailed his progress, at least temporarily. Charley White took a big tumble out of the Top 10, dropping nine spots to #17, with a dismal 0-3-1 year, losing to Hyland, KO Brown and FW champ Abe Attell. Cooke's slide continued as he has now lost 7 of his last 8, the only win versus a TC -- he is at #16 and a return to the top 10 seems unlikely. Aussie Herb McCoy got off to a 16-0 start before facing some tougher competition, dropping a MD 10 to Battling Nelson and drawing with Bronson. He debuts at #14, one spot behind Wolgast. Also new to the list this time are Phil Cross, debuting at #25 with a 15-3 (11) record, losing his last bout to Young Donahue after a strong KO win over prospect Joe Shugrue; and Willie Beecher, who checks in with a 13-5 (3) mark in the #30 spot, downing journeyman Johnny Frayne after losses to Kid Farmer and Mexican Joe Rivers earlier in the year. Finally, mention must be made of GBU champ Phil Bloom, who despite a 15-1 (7) mark, is only ranked #32 with just 230 pp. Why? His one loss (on a cuts stoppage) was to TC Nick Scanlon, and Scanlon actually beat a second RL opponent (Gilbert Gallant) on a foul, so he is ranked at #27 despite an overall 5-11-1 (1) record! Prospects: Set to move into the rankings list soon is Mexican Joe Rivers, off to a fine 14-0 (8) start, scoring a KO 2 over Beecher to go win UD 10 wins against Shugrue, Terry Brooks and Special Delivery Hirsch -- looks like some stiffer competition is in order. Aussie Alf Goodwin is 13-1 (9), his only loss a MD 10 to Shugrue but he did defeat aging vet Art Simms in his last bout (and it turned out to be Simms' very last bout -- see retirement list below). Shugrue has had some tough fights already, and he stands at 10-3-1 (5) but is winless in his last three -- his best recent win was a TKO over Phil Cross. ATG Benny Leonard I have been bringing along slowly, but he has been very impressive compiling a 11-0 (8) mark thus far, defeating two real-life guys (Gene Delmont and Bobby Waugh) in addition to the TCs. Canadian Gilbert Gallant is 12-1 (6), the only set back that loss to TC Scanlon referenced above. Still unbeaten is Joe Welling at 8-0 (5), all versus TCs except for a win over Delmont. Rocky Kansas at 6-0 (6) and Frenchman Louis de Ponthieu at 5-0 (1) have prospered versus a steady diet of TCs. Retirements: ATG LW Champ Gans is referenced in the prior WW post. Two others called it quits in 1912: Frank Erne (SUI) 1891-1912 45-27-4 (30) WBA Champ highest rank: 3 Art Simms (USA) 1898-1912 27-31-1 (15) USBA Champ highest rank: 9 Note: These "highest rank" numbers refer to year-end ranks, as I obviously haven't tried to keep track on a more frequent basis. Looking Ahead: Despite the pp gap between the 3-4 top guys and the rest, I still see this as a pretty fluid division and would not be surprised to see someone not even in the Top 10 at this point -- a guy like Wolgast, perhaps, to emerge. Ritchie who is already Top 10 looks like a title threat as well. A Welsh vs Driscoll rematch would appeal to the British fans. Look for Nelson to fade as his skills diminish, just as has happened with Jewey Cooke who was Top 5 for a long time until he hit Post-Prime. I'm deliberately bringing Benny Leonard along slowly, don't expect any title bouts until he hits Prime after 20 bouts. It maybe a different story for Mexican Joe Rivers, possibly. Look for Aussies McCoy and Goodwin to contend for the CBU crown, particularly if Driscoll vacates it should he manage to take on and defeat Welsh for the WBA title. Four new fighters (all Americans) join the ranks in 1913, led by Lew Tendler and Ever Hammer.