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JCWeb · 08-12-2006, 04:34 PM

Division Profile

Total Boxers: 64 Real Life: 29 TCs: 35

RL Boxers by Career Stage:
End - 3
Post - 5
Prime - 13
Pre - 5
Beginner - 3 (2 New in 1913)

Rated: 23
800+: 1
500+: 14
200+: 22

Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1912 in Parens)

Champ: Johnny Coulon 30-3-1 (15) (1026) (+1)
1. Kid Williams 16-0 (11) (743) (new)
2. Charles Ledoux 20-1 (17) (723) (+9)
3. Harry Harris 50-10-2 (32) (687) (-3)
4. Philadelphia Pal Moore 20-3-2 (9) (674) (-2)
5. Frankie Burns 16-6-1 (7) (651) (+10)
6. Monte Attell 22-13-2 (12) (602) (+3)
7. Kid Murphy 26-12-1 (18) (601) (-4)
8. Biz Mackey 34-13-3 (12) (581) (-3)
9. Al Delmont 32-12-2 (15) (578) (-1)
10. Joe Bowker 32-17-4 (16) (556) (+6)

Comments: All listed above at Prime, except for Williams (still at Pre) and Harris (now at End career stage). Coulon won three in a row in 1912 to return to the top spot, and he appears to be solidly atop the division going into 1913. Kid Williams has a perfect record but only scraped by with a SD 12 win over Conley for the USBA belt, indicating some more seasoning may be in order before attempting a title clash with Coulon. His 7-0 blitz of the division in 1912 included wins over Eddie Campi, Hugh McGovern and a KO 6 over Kid Beebe, hardly the class of the division right now. Ledoux, on the other hand, has hit Prime stage and, as EBU champ, appears to be a worthy challenger for the WBA belt right now. He has won his last 5, including 4-0 in 1912, scoring a TKO 7 over Murphy and UD 10 win over Feltz. Harris has started a fast decline, but he did manage a KO win over Harry Forbes, another aging vet. Phila Pal Moore was 2-2 for the year, racking up a win over Biz Mackey but faltering in a MD 10 upset loss to Brit Digger Stanley. Burns rocketed into the top 10 by knocking off Harris for the WBA belt, but he dropped a bit after losing the title to Coulon. Monte Attell was 2-2 for 1912, winning a UD over Campi and a SD over Murphy but losses to Forbes and Coulon kept him from moving up more. Murphy, despite a 1-2 year, remained on the list, his big win a TKO of Delmont. Mackey went 2-2 in 1912, sporting wins over Bowker and Neil but losses to Pal Moore and Kid Beebe hurt him. Delmont started the year off well, wins over Hugh McGovern and a TKO versus Felts, but that TKO loss to Murphy kept him from advancing. Bowker, the new CBU champ, rounds out the top 10 with a 3-1 year, bouncing back from a loss to Mackey to down H McGovern, Oliver and then Stanley in the unification (CBU/GBU) title bout.

Other Notables: Frankie Conley dropped out of the Top 10, down 8 spots to #12 after two straight, tough losses to Goldman (cuts stoppage) and Kid Williams (SD 12). Tommy Feltz also fell 8 spots down to #14, going 0-3 for the year. Hugh McGovern, 0-4 for the year, took a huge tumble, down from #7 to #21. New to the rankings (in addition to Kid Williams) are Eddie Campi, at #11, with a 14-2 (11) record, bouncing back after a SD loss to Williams with a KO of TC Jeff Purcell and a UD 10 win over Feltz. Young Oliver is #13 at 15-3 (13), but unfortunately the aging effects may prevent him from moving up much. Goldman, who held the NABF title for awhile, is #16 at 16-10-2 (8). Lots of second line depth in the rankings, as everyone in the top 20 has at least 400 pp, but many ranked #11-20 are either Post or End career stage, so it's an aging group of vets going into 1913.

Prospects: Jack "Kid" Wolfe tops the list, compiling a 8-0 (4) mark, all versus TCs. Robert Dastillon of France and the UK's Joe Fox are each 6-0-1 after drawing with each other and defeating all six TC opponents; Dastillon has more KOs (5 to Fox's 3). Pete Herman debuted in 1912, but only fought twice, winning both by KO.

Retirements: None in 1912. However, look for the two Harrys (Harris and Forbes) and possibly also Frankie Neil, all now at End stage, to perhaps hang 'em up i1n 1913, barring unforeseen circumstances.

Looking Ahead: Williams may not be ready to contend for a WBA crown until he hits Prime; Ledoux, who is at Prime, may be ready to take on Coulon this year. Harris is fading and unlikely to be a factor much more. Burns, after tasting success in 1912, seems a likely candidate for a NABF or USBA title belt. Look for Frankie Conley (who is still at Prime) to return to the Top 10 in 1912. But older guys, like the two McGoverns (Hugh and Phil), Frankie Neil, Harry Forbes, and Tommy Feltz have seen their best days and are unlikely to return to the top 10 list. Two of the younger guys, Young Oliver and Charles Goldman, are also at Post-Prime now. Two newcomers grace the division in 1913, Johnny "Kewpie" Ertle, who held a share of the World title in real life, and Memphis Pal Moore, who did not. Memphis Pal Moore appears to have the higher ratings, however, which should make it interesting. Still, right now it looks like a time for attrition as more guys are at End career stage than there are new guys coming in.

08-12-2006, 04:34 PM	#116 (permalink)
JCWeb All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 716	1912-Bantamweights Part II Division Profile Total Boxers: 64 Real Life: 29 TCs: 35 RL Boxers by Career Stage: End - 3 Post - 5 Prime - 13 Pre - 5 Beginner - 3 (2 New in 1913) Rated: 23 800+: 1 500+: 14 200+: 22 Jan 1913 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1912 in Parens) Champ: Johnny Coulon 30-3-1 (15) (1026) (+1) 1. Kid Williams 16-0 (11) (743) (new) 2. Charles Ledoux 20-1 (17) (723) (+9) 3. Harry Harris 50-10-2 (32) (687) (-3) 4. Philadelphia Pal Moore 20-3-2 (9) (674) (-2) 5. Frankie Burns 16-6-1 (7) (651) (+10) 6. Monte Attell 22-13-2 (12) (602) (+3) 7. Kid Murphy 26-12-1 (18) (601) (-4) 8. Biz Mackey 34-13-3 (12) (581) (-3) 9. Al Delmont 32-12-2 (15) (578) (-1) 10. Joe Bowker 32-17-4 (16) (556) (+6) Comments: All listed above at Prime, except for Williams (still at Pre) and Harris (now at End career stage). Coulon won three in a row in 1912 to return to the top spot, and he appears to be solidly atop the division going into 1913. Kid Williams has a perfect record but only scraped by with a SD 12 win over Conley for the USBA belt, indicating some more seasoning may be in order before attempting a title clash with Coulon. His 7-0 blitz of the division in 1912 included wins over Eddie Campi, Hugh McGovern and a KO 6 over Kid Beebe, hardly the class of the division right now. Ledoux, on the other hand, has hit Prime stage and, as EBU champ, appears to be a worthy challenger for the WBA belt right now. He has won his last 5, including 4-0 in 1912, scoring a TKO 7 over Murphy and UD 10 win over Feltz. Harris has started a fast decline, but he did manage a KO win over Harry Forbes, another aging vet. Phila Pal Moore was 2-2 for the year, racking up a win over Biz Mackey but faltering in a MD 10 upset loss to Brit Digger Stanley. Burns rocketed into the top 10 by knocking off Harris for the WBA belt, but he dropped a bit after losing the title to Coulon. Monte Attell was 2-2 for 1912, winning a UD over Campi and a SD over Murphy but losses to Forbes and Coulon kept him from moving up more. Murphy, despite a 1-2 year, remained on the list, his big win a TKO of Delmont. Mackey went 2-2 in 1912, sporting wins over Bowker and Neil but losses to Pal Moore and Kid Beebe hurt him. Delmont started the year off well, wins over Hugh McGovern and a TKO versus Felts, but that TKO loss to Murphy kept him from advancing. Bowker, the new CBU champ, rounds out the top 10 with a 3-1 year, bouncing back from a loss to Mackey to down H McGovern, Oliver and then Stanley in the unification (CBU/GBU) title bout. Other Notables: Frankie Conley dropped out of the Top 10, down 8 spots to #12 after two straight, tough losses to Goldman (cuts stoppage) and Kid Williams (SD 12). Tommy Feltz also fell 8 spots down to #14, going 0-3 for the year. Hugh McGovern, 0-4 for the year, took a huge tumble, down from #7 to #21. New to the rankings (in addition to Kid Williams) are Eddie Campi, at #11, with a 14-2 (11) record, bouncing back after a SD loss to Williams with a KO of TC Jeff Purcell and a UD 10 win over Feltz. Young Oliver is #13 at 15-3 (13), but unfortunately the aging effects may prevent him from moving up much. Goldman, who held the NABF title for awhile, is #16 at 16-10-2 (8). Lots of second line depth in the rankings, as everyone in the top 20 has at least 400 pp, but many ranked #11-20 are either Post or End career stage, so it's an aging group of vets going into 1913. Prospects: Jack "Kid" Wolfe tops the list, compiling a 8-0 (4) mark, all versus TCs. Robert Dastillon of France and the UK's Joe Fox are each 6-0-1 after drawing with each other and defeating all six TC opponents; Dastillon has more KOs (5 to Fox's 3). Pete Herman debuted in 1912, but only fought twice, winning both by KO. Retirements: None in 1912. However, look for the two Harrys (Harris and Forbes) and possibly also Frankie Neil, all now at End stage, to perhaps hang 'em up i1n 1913, barring unforeseen circumstances. Looking Ahead: Williams may not be ready to contend for a WBA crown until he hits Prime; Ledoux, who is at Prime, may be ready to take on Coulon this year. Harris is fading and unlikely to be a factor much more. Burns, after tasting success in 1912, seems a likely candidate for a NABF or USBA title belt. Look for Frankie Conley (who is still at Prime) to return to the Top 10 in 1912. But older guys, like the two McGoverns (Hugh and Phil), Frankie Neil, Harry Forbes, and Tommy Feltz have seen their best days and are unlikely to return to the top 10 list. Two of the younger guys, Young Oliver and Charles Goldman, are also at Post-Prime now. Two newcomers grace the division in 1913, Johnny "Kewpie" Ertle, who held a share of the World title in real life, and Memphis Pal Moore, who did not. Memphis Pal Moore appears to have the higher ratings, however, which should make it interesting. Still, right now it looks like a time for attrition as more guys are at End career stage than there are new guys coming in.