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JCWeb · 01-22-2007, 09:11 PM

Now, a comparison of the above list to the RL champs and the year(s) they did or did not reach the top in my Uni:

George Dixon RL: Jun. 1890 Uni: Jun. 1889
Jimmy Barry RL: Sep. 1894 Uni: Feb 1897
Terry McGovern RL: Sep. 1899 Uni: NEVER
Harry Harris RL: Mar. 1901 Uni: Jul. 1901
Harry Forbes RL: Jan. 1902 Uni: Jan. 1908
Frankie Neil RL: Aug. 1903 Uni: NEVER
Joe Bowker RL: Oct. 1904 Uni: NOT YET
Jimmy Walsh RL: Oct. 1905 Uni: FW Division Only
Johnny Coulon RL: Feb. 1911 Uni: Dec. 1908
Kid Williams RL: Jan. 1914 Uni: NOT YET
Johnny Ertle RL: Sep. 1915 Uni: TOO SOON
Pete Herman RL: Jan. 1917 Uni: TOO SOON
Joe Lynch RL: Dec. 1920 Uni: TOO SOON
Abe Goldstein RL: Mar. 1924 Uni: TOO SOON

Note that this list does not include some title claimants (guys like Nunc Wallace and Frankie Conley) as well as guys like Tommy Kelly, Hughey Boyle and Chappie Moran who were identified as early champions in the late 1880s. It took awhile for Barry to capture the belt, and he remained as WBA champion longer than IRL. Harris succeeded to the title about the same time as in IRL, and Forbes barely made it while Neil and Bowker did not (Bowker is in the late stages of his career and unlikely to mount a serious title challenge). There is still time for Kid Williams to ascend to the WBA throne, and Pete Herman (like Williams) is also a future champ. Too soon to tell about guys like Ertle, Lynch and Abe Goldstein. One interesting aspect has been the decline of the British BW contingent, as guys like Croot, Plimmer, Palmer, and more recently, Stanley and Bowker, have proved less successful than their American counterparts. In fact, it has been 20 years of "all American" champs in this division since Nunc Wallace lost the belt back in 1895.

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JCWeb All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 717	Champs or Chumps -- Part 7, the BWs Now, a comparison of the above list to the RL champs and the year(s) they did or did not reach the top in my Uni: George Dixon RL: Jun. 1890 Uni: Jun. 1889 Jimmy Barry RL: Sep. 1894 Uni: Feb 1897 Terry McGovern RL: Sep. 1899 Uni: NEVER Harry Harris RL: Mar. 1901 Uni: Jul. 1901 Harry Forbes RL: Jan. 1902 Uni: Jan. 1908 Frankie Neil RL: Aug. 1903 Uni: NEVER Joe Bowker RL: Oct. 1904 Uni: NOT YET Jimmy Walsh RL: Oct. 1905 Uni: FW Division Only Johnny Coulon RL: Feb. 1911 Uni: Dec. 1908 Kid Williams RL: Jan. 1914 Uni: NOT YET Johnny Ertle RL: Sep. 1915 Uni: TOO SOON Pete Herman RL: Jan. 1917 Uni: TOO SOON Joe Lynch RL: Dec. 1920 Uni: TOO SOON Abe Goldstein RL: Mar. 1924 Uni: TOO SOON Note that this list does not include some title claimants (guys like Nunc Wallace and Frankie Conley) as well as guys like Tommy Kelly, Hughey Boyle and Chappie Moran who were identified as early champions in the late 1880s. It took awhile for Barry to capture the belt, and he remained as WBA champion longer than IRL. Harris succeeded to the title about the same time as in IRL, and Forbes barely made it while Neil and Bowker did not (Bowker is in the late stages of his career and unlikely to mount a serious title challenge). There is still time for Kid Williams to ascend to the WBA throne, and Pete Herman (like Williams) is also a future champ. Too soon to tell about guys like Ertle, Lynch and Abe Goldstein. One interesting aspect has been the decline of the British BW contingent, as guys like Croot, Plimmer, Palmer, and more recently, Stanley and Bowker, have proved less successful than their American counterparts. In fact, it has been 20 years of "all American" champs in this division since Nunc Wallace lost the belt back in 1895.