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JCWeb · 02-05-2007, 07:54 PM

1916 BW Division Profile

Total: 64 RL: 29 TC: 35

RL by Career Stage:
End - 2
Post - 5
Prime-13
Pre - 7
Beginning - 2 (New-1)

Rated: 24
800+: 7
500+: 13
200+: 22

Jan. 1917 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1916 in Parens)

Champ: Al Delmont 43-15-3 (17) (1116) (NC)
1. Johnny Coulon 38-4-5 (27) (1119) (NC)
2. Kid Williams 26-4 (14) (1004) (NC)
3. Eddie Campi 26-5-2 (14) (932) (+4)
4. Pete Herman 19-2 (12) (910) (+5)
5. Charles Ledoux 29-5 (24) (898) (-1)
6. Philadelphia Pal Moore 32-8-3 (12) (837) (-3)
7. Frankie Burns 24-11-1 (7) (737) (-2)
8. Kid Murphy 37-17-1 (24) (715) (NC)
9. Memphis Pal Moore 17-3 (10) (689) (+1)
10. Frankie Conley 31-16-1 (16) (688) (-4)

Comments: No newcomers to the top ten compared to last year, and everyone was at Prime but, in 1917, WBA Champ Delmont and #8 Murphy move to Post-Prime. Delmont has won his last six, some by the thinnest of margin, so with the aging factor his days as Champion are likely numbered. Coulon has a few more PPs, had KO wins in 1916 over Dastillon and Mackey and, in addition to taking the USBA belt, he fought to a draw with FLY champ Jimmy Wilde. Williams is still looking for the WBA title, narrowly losing to Delmont but winning USBA and NABF title bouts. Eddie Campi went 4-1 for the year, losing the NABF title to Williams, but scoring a KO 7 over Digger Stanley and a UD over Biderberg in addition to two successful title defenses. Pete Herman established his credentials by winning (then losing) the NABF belt, scoring a pair of wins over Phila Pal Moore and a UD 10 over Frankie Burns. Ledoux defended the EBU belt, tried for the WBA title, and won a MD 10 over Frankie Burns. Philly Pal Moore was 3-3 for the year, dropping a pair of decisions to Herman, also losing to Coulon but beating lesser contenders like Jack Kid Wolfe, Bowker and Biderberg. Burns stayed among the contenders with a MD 10 win over Conley, but losses to Ledoux and Herman prevented further progress. Kid Murphy lost two title bouts (see above post) but scored TKOs over Monte Attell and Joe Fox to stay in the top ten. Memphis Pal Moore had a 2-2 year, scoring two UD wins over Conley and Attell but dropping one to Campi in addition to his WBA title bout loss. Finally, Frankie Conley struggled in 1916, losing to Herman on a foul, defeating younger foes like Fox and Ertle, but failing against Burns and Memphis Pal Moore.

Other Notables: Just outside the top ten is veteran Joe Bowker, the CBU and GBU champ, with a 39-24-4 (20) with 516 pp. Bowker defeated Blackburn but lost on a TKO to Ledoux and dropped a UD to Philly Pal Moore. One spot behind him is Jack "Kid" Wolfe, whose progress was stalled despite a UD over Charles Goldman with two losses to Williams and Philly Pal Moore and now has a 17-6 (7) career mark. Top newcomer to the rankings list is Johnny "Kewpie" Ertle in #18 spot with a 13-5 (4) mark, despite losses to Blackburn (on a foul), Mackey and Conley. One spot lower at #19 is Little Jack Sharkey, who scored UDs over Blackburn and Goldman but two losses to Ertle on a foul and to TC Chapman on a cut relegate him to a 14-2 (8) mark. Finally, Vince Blackburn, unsuccessful challenger for the CBU belt, checks in at #20 with a 13-3 (8) record, having suffered losses to Dastillon, Bowker and Sharkey despite beating Ertle on a DQ.

Prospects: Maintaining identical unbeaten marks of 9-0 (8) are Joe Lynch and Packey O'Gatty. One of O'Gatty's victims, Indian Russell, dropped to 5-1 (3) after the UD 8 loss. Joe Burman at 5-0 (1) and Abe Goldstein at 4-0 (3) kept clean slates against TC opposition.

Retirement: The third of three McGoverns (one not related to Terry and Hugh) finally left the BW ranks in 1916. His career stats:

Phil McGovern (USA) 1900-1916 37-29-2 (13) USBA Champ Highest Rank: 3

Looking Ahead: Delmont is going to be hard pressed to keep the WBA title in 1917, as fighters like Coulon, Williams, and Herman are all lining up and likely to be favored in a title bout. Bowker is starting to feel the effects of aging and may not be able to keep his GBU belt much longer. Not much competition in Europe for Ledoux. Expect to see Ertle and Sharkey to begin to make their mark once they hit Prime career stage. Joe Lynch is probably the best of the young prospects. George Marks will be added to the ranks for 1917.

Predictions: Again, wrong on all counts in the prior year's predictions, as Delmont survived another year as WBA Champ and Kid Williams did not make it to the top.
For 1917, I will go out on a bit of a limb and predict that Coulon will regain the WBA belt. Delmont will fade quickly, and Pete Herman will succeed in a try for either the NABF and USBA belt, this time holding it until the end of the year. Kid Williams will remain in contention, but he will have to wait awhile to take the WBA crown. Joe Fox will succeed Bowker as GBU champ.

02-05-2007, 07:54 PM	#266 (permalink)
JCWeb All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 717	1916-Bantamweight Part II 1916 BW Division Profile Total: 64 RL: 29 TC: 35 RL by Career Stage: End - 2 Post - 5 Prime-13 Pre - 7 Beginning - 2 (New-1) Rated: 24 800+: 7 500+: 13 200+: 22 Jan. 1917 Rankings (Perf Pts and Changes from 1916 in Parens) Champ: Al Delmont 43-15-3 (17) (1116) (NC) 1. Johnny Coulon 38-4-5 (27) (1119) (NC) 2. Kid Williams 26-4 (14) (1004) (NC) 3. Eddie Campi 26-5-2 (14) (932) (+4) 4. Pete Herman 19-2 (12) (910) (+5) 5. Charles Ledoux 29-5 (24) (898) (-1) 6. Philadelphia Pal Moore 32-8-3 (12) (837) (-3) 7. Frankie Burns 24-11-1 (7) (737) (-2) 8. Kid Murphy 37-17-1 (24) (715) (NC) 9. Memphis Pal Moore 17-3 (10) (689) (+1) 10. Frankie Conley 31-16-1 (16) (688) (-4) Comments: No newcomers to the top ten compared to last year, and everyone was at Prime but, in 1917, WBA Champ Delmont and #8 Murphy move to Post-Prime. Delmont has won his last six, some by the thinnest of margin, so with the aging factor his days as Champion are likely numbered. Coulon has a few more PPs, had KO wins in 1916 over Dastillon and Mackey and, in addition to taking the USBA belt, he fought to a draw with FLY champ Jimmy Wilde. Williams is still looking for the WBA title, narrowly losing to Delmont but winning USBA and NABF title bouts. Eddie Campi went 4-1 for the year, losing the NABF title to Williams, but scoring a KO 7 over Digger Stanley and a UD over Biderberg in addition to two successful title defenses. Pete Herman established his credentials by winning (then losing) the NABF belt, scoring a pair of wins over Phila Pal Moore and a UD 10 over Frankie Burns. Ledoux defended the EBU belt, tried for the WBA title, and won a MD 10 over Frankie Burns. Philly Pal Moore was 3-3 for the year, dropping a pair of decisions to Herman, also losing to Coulon but beating lesser contenders like Jack Kid Wolfe, Bowker and Biderberg. Burns stayed among the contenders with a MD 10 win over Conley, but losses to Ledoux and Herman prevented further progress. Kid Murphy lost two title bouts (see above post) but scored TKOs over Monte Attell and Joe Fox to stay in the top ten. Memphis Pal Moore had a 2-2 year, scoring two UD wins over Conley and Attell but dropping one to Campi in addition to his WBA title bout loss. Finally, Frankie Conley struggled in 1916, losing to Herman on a foul, defeating younger foes like Fox and Ertle, but failing against Burns and Memphis Pal Moore. Other Notables: Just outside the top ten is veteran Joe Bowker, the CBU and GBU champ, with a 39-24-4 (20) with 516 pp. Bowker defeated Blackburn but lost on a TKO to Ledoux and dropped a UD to Philly Pal Moore. One spot behind him is Jack "Kid" Wolfe, whose progress was stalled despite a UD over Charles Goldman with two losses to Williams and Philly Pal Moore and now has a 17-6 (7) career mark. Top newcomer to the rankings list is Johnny "Kewpie" Ertle in #18 spot with a 13-5 (4) mark, despite losses to Blackburn (on a foul), Mackey and Conley. One spot lower at #19 is Little Jack Sharkey, who scored UDs over Blackburn and Goldman but two losses to Ertle on a foul and to TC Chapman on a cut relegate him to a 14-2 (8) mark. Finally, Vince Blackburn, unsuccessful challenger for the CBU belt, checks in at #20 with a 13-3 (8) record, having suffered losses to Dastillon, Bowker and Sharkey despite beating Ertle on a DQ. Prospects: Maintaining identical unbeaten marks of 9-0 (8) are Joe Lynch and Packey O'Gatty. One of O'Gatty's victims, Indian Russell, dropped to 5-1 (3) after the UD 8 loss. Joe Burman at 5-0 (1) and Abe Goldstein at 4-0 (3) kept clean slates against TC opposition. Retirement: The third of three McGoverns (one not related to Terry and Hugh) finally left the BW ranks in 1916. His career stats: Phil McGovern (USA) 1900-1916 37-29-2 (13) USBA Champ Highest Rank: 3 Looking Ahead: Delmont is going to be hard pressed to keep the WBA title in 1917, as fighters like Coulon, Williams, and Herman are all lining up and likely to be favored in a title bout. Bowker is starting to feel the effects of aging and may not be able to keep his GBU belt much longer. Not much competition in Europe for Ledoux. Expect to see Ertle and Sharkey to begin to make their mark once they hit Prime career stage. Joe Lynch is probably the best of the young prospects. George Marks will be added to the ranks for 1917. Predictions: Again, wrong on all counts in the prior year's predictions, as Delmont survived another year as WBA Champ and Kid Williams did not make it to the top. For 1917, I will go out on a bit of a limb and predict that Coulon will regain the WBA belt. Delmont will fade quickly, and Pete Herman will succeed in a try for either the NABF and USBA belt, this time holding it until the end of the year. Kid Williams will remain in contention, but he will have to wait awhile to take the WBA crown. Joe Fox will succeed Bowker as GBU champ.