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Heavyweights Universe. 60's -> Now in 1974
I have been trying a lot of universes but this i really have sticked with. I am now in the ninth year. I started in 1960 with fighters debuting from 1956 to 1960. Since then i have played up to 1969 where i am now.
I have three groups:
Begin. Real fighters and Tc's at beginning, plus the worst other fighters around.
Club. The up and coming fighters at pre-prime, plus some veterans and tc's
Top. All the fighters right under the best.
World. The top 10, i arrange fights for these fighters.
If a fighter debuts at age above 32 he will debut at pre-prime automatically. If he has participated in the olympics, he will debut at Prime.
If a fighter debuts at age above 27 he will normally debut at beginning. If he has participated in the olympics he will debut at pre-prime.
All fighters at age 26 or lower will debut at beginning no matter what..
BTW: Check out the olympic amateur thread, i've just finished the 1972 olympics.
I use all of the four World Championships belts plus some regional and national titles that i don't put very much work in.
Here are the top fighters at this point (updated February 11, 2008/in universe July, 1974):
#1 Muhammad Ali 46-3 (38), WBA/WBO, RING Champion.
This is the man everyone wants to meet. He became champ after 18 fights, and made 16 succesful title defences from 1962 to 1968, before he was beaten by Joe Frazier in the second fight between the two by 3rd round TKO. 1 year and 4 months later, he got his revenge when he KO'ed Frazier in the 8th round of what was perhaps the best fight the world had and has ever seen. Frazier beat Ali in 1971, again by 3rd round KO, forcing Ali into temporary retirement. After one and a half year off, he returned to fight Frazier again, and another wild fight ended in a 10th round TKO victory for Frazier. He continued his comeback, and in 1973 he shocked the world, in winning a 6th round TKO against George Foreman, who had battered Frazier in 4 rounds.
Next fight: WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF Unification bout against Ken Norton at MSG on September 14th.
#2 Joe Frazier 34-4 (33)
Frazier started his career in frightening way, going 20-0, all by knockout, from 1965 to 1967. He received his title shot in 1968 against Muhammad Ali, but lost due to a cut in the 5th. He got his rematch only 4 months later, and shocked everyone, by TKO'ing Ali in the 3rd round. He gave Ali his rematch in 1969, and lost the most memorable bout ever, by 8th round knockout. That fight seemed to take a lot out of him, as he shockingly lost to fairly unknown Leotis Martin in 1970, by 6th round TKO. He found himself again, KO'ing Ali in 3 only 7 monhts later. That started a Frazier dominance - defeating the best of the best, including Ali once more, Leotis Martin in the rematch and Ken Norton - all by knockout. He gave up and coming Foreman a shot. Frazier took a beating. He was defenseless when the referee stopped the fight in the 4th round.
Next fight: Tune up bout against Joe Bugner on August 22nd.
#3 George Foreman 27-1 (27)
Foreman has been a scary man all through his almost 5 year long career. He got his title shot at 24-0, all knockouts and 11 in the 1st round, against fellow undefeated Earnie Shavers for the vacant WBA title. After a very entertaining fight, Foreman KO'ed him in the 8th round. He has never gone longer than the 8th round. He then fought, and demolished Joe Frazier in 4 rounds. He decided to defend against Muhammad Ali, and the general thinking was that even 'The Greatest' wouldn't stand a chance against this monster of a power puncher. They were wrong. Ali took Foremans best shots, and opened cut from his left eyelid and in the 6th round, it became too bad for him to continue. Ali was the winner by 6th round TKO in Johannesburg, South Africa.
Next fight: TBD
#4 Ken Norton 30-2 (26), WBC/IBF Champion.
Ken Norton build up a 16-0 record before stupidly losing against Chuck Wepner by 10th round disqualification. He slowed down in activity for a while, before coming back winning a rematch with Chuck Wepner and pounding the highly regarded slugger Dave Zyglewicz. He then got a shot at Joe Frazier, but like with many others, was brutally beaten. Frazier won a 5th round knockout. This time, he got right back on the horse, defeating Gregorio Peralta and Al Lewis to become the WBC and IBF champion. He has defended the title three times and can now look forward to fighting Muhammad Ali.
Next fight: WBA/WBC/WBO/IBF Unification bout against Muhammad Ali at MSG on September 14th.
#5 Earnie Shavers 26-1 (22), NABF champion
Shavers went 22-0, with 20 knockouts from 1969 to 1972. He then beat Al Jones by decision in order to gain a shot at fighting George Foreman for the vacant WBA title. In a brutal and entertaining fight, he was KO'ed in the 8th round. He fought again 7 months later, and defeated Al Jones to become NABF champion.
Next fight: IBO tourney quarterfinal against Larry Duncan on October 26th.
#6 Al Jones 34-6 (8)
Jones was never highlighted as a huge prospect, he fought and beat some decent fighters though, sporting a 17-0 record before losing by split decision to Leotis Martin. He continued being active, winning 4 fights in a row before defeating Leotis Martin in the rematch by split decision in 1968, not even a year later, in order to become IBF champion in stunning fashion, as he beat the man who beat Frazier. In his first defence against Jerry Quarry, he was easily beaten by decision. He then fought George Chuvalo for the NABF title, and lost by split decision. One year later, he defeated Jerry Quarry by majority decision, this time for the USBA and NABF titles. He fought Jerry Quarry one last time, and beat him by 4th round TKO in what was the beginning of the end for Quarry. He has beaten George Chuvalo twice since then and lost twice to Earnie Shavers.
Next fight: Boone Kirkman at MSG on the undercard of Ali vs Norton, September 14th.
#7 Al Lewis 30-4-2 (17)
Al Lewis was another heavyweight who went through his early years, fairly unnoticed, piling up a record of 17-0-2 before losing to Albert Westphal by 2nd round knockout. He came back better than ever, winning 8 in a row, before getting his shot at IBF champ Al Jones. Lewis won due to a cut in the 9th round. He won his first two defences by 1st round KO against uncompetative opposition. He tried to unify his titles against Ken Norton in December 1972, but came up short.
Nect fight: TBD
#8 Dave Zyglewicz 34-8 (24)
Dave Zyglewicz was 10-0 before losing to Buster Mathis by majority decision. He got on a nice winning streak, building a record of 22-1, and when he got his title shot against Jerry Quarry, he lost by unanimous decision. He has managed to stick around, defeating fighters such as Gregorio Peralta, Chuck Wepner, Leotis Martin and Oscar Bonavena, but seems to come up short when he steps it up against the likes of Ken Norton, George Foreman, Muhammad Ali and Joe Bugner.
Next fight: TBD
#9 Jimmy Young 26-2 (10)
Young was looking like the new Ali, early in his career, outboxing fighters like Mani Vaka, Buster Mathis and Pedro Agosto. He got his shot at Joe Frazier and delivered a fantastic perfomance. Young fought amazingly, at times outboxing the champion and even knocking him down in the 10th. He took Frazier further than no man, except Ali, had ever done before. He had a small lead on the scorecards going into the 13th round, where Frazier found his killer instinct knocking Young down three times in the round, and the 3KD rule was in effect making it a TKO 13 for Joe Frazier. He fought again six months later, beating first Boone Kirkman then Jerry Quarry in order to get a rematch with Joe Frazier who had just been battered by George Foreman. He couldn't resist this time, but still gave Frazier a tough time before being TKO'ed in the 10th round.
Next fight: IBO tourney quarterfinal against Armando Zanini on November 2nd.
#10 Joe Bugner 26-7 (17)
Bugner started off his career in odd fashion, looking fantastic at time, and bored at times, building a 15-6 record. He then seemed to find his motivation, winning 11 in a row against top competition, winning the EBU title and beating Dave Zyglewicz along the way. He got his shot at Ken Norton in February 1972, but came up short, losing by 9th round KO.
Next fight: Joe Frazier on August 22nd.
Other notables:
Boone Kirkman 24-6 (18)
Pedro Agosto 28-11 (19), LABA champion
Giuseppe Ros 27-7-1 (13), EBU champion
Gene Innocent 27-6 (17)
Mike Weaver 19-0 (16)
Oscar Bonavena 35-11 (28)
Mike Schutte 17-2-1 (12), ABU champion
Ron Lyle 19-1 (17)
Larry Holmes 10-0 (9)
Duane Bobick 9-0 (7)
Kevin Isaac 9-0 (2)
Larry Frazier 14-3 (8)
Leroy Diggs 4-0 (1)
Marty Monroe 4-0
Fred Houpe 3-0 (3)
Johnny Boudreaux 7-1-1
Scott LeDoux 2-0
Stan Wad 2-0 (2)
Regional Titles in use:
ABCO (All asian Countries)
ABU (All african Countries)
BBBofC British (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland)
Commonwealth (British Empire)
EBU (All european countries)
LABA (All latin american countries)
NABF (USA, Mexico, Canada, Puerto Rico)
OPBF (Oriental and Pacific countries)
USBA (Only Americans)
Argentine
Australian
Canadian
German BDB
Italian
Puerto Rican
- More will be added when needed to
Linear championship history
This is from the beginning and it does not include the single belts, but only the linear championship.
1962-10-15: Muhammad Ali TKO 8 Amos Johnson
1963-03-15: Muhammad Ali KO 14 Gregorio Peralta
1963-08-15: Muhammad Ali UD 15 Doug Jones
1963-12-17: Muhammad Ali TKO 8 Albert Westphal
1964-03-08: Muhammad Ali UD 15 Gregorio Peralta
1964-06-19: Muhammad Ali UD 15 Billy Daniels
1964-10-06: Muhammad Ali KO 4 Tony Alongi
1965-03-08: Muhammad Ali UD 15 George Chuvalo
1965-08-12: Muhammad Ali TKO 5 Alejandro Lavorante
1965-10-07: Muhammad Ali KO 13 Jimmy Ellis
1966-04-17: Muhammad Ali TKO 12 Leotis Martin
1966-07-12: Muhammad Ali KO 2 James J. Beattie
1966-10-05: Muhammad Ali KO 13 Leotis Martin
1967-03-20: Muhammad Ali KO 4 George Chuvalo
1967-08-25: Muhammad Ali KO 8 Chuck Wepner
1967-11-17: Muhammad Ali TKO 3 Billy Walker
1968-03-21: Muhammad Ali TKO 5 Joe Frazier
1968-07-13: Joe Frazier TKO 3 Muhammad Ali
1968-11-18: Joe Frazier KO 6 Oscar Bonavena
1969-02-11: Joe Frazier KO 8 Gregorio Peralta
1969-07-17: Joe Frazier TechUD 5 Buster Mathis
1969-11-05: Muhammad Ali KO 8 Joe Frazier
1970-04-30: Muhammad Ali TKO 15 Oscar Bonavena
1970-07-20: Muhammad Ali UD 15 Henry Clark
1970-10-02: Muhammad Ali KO 5 Buster Mathis
1971-04-09: Joe Frazier KO 3 Muhammad Ali
1971-07-11: Joe Frazier TKO 6 Gregorio Peralta
1972-02-12: Joe Frazier TKO 5 Leotis Martin
1972-05-05: Joe Frazier KO 5 Ken Norton
1972-09-23: Joe Frazier TKO 10 Muhammad Ali
1973-02-16: Joe Frazier TKO 13 Jimmy Young
1973-07-14: George Foreman TKO 4 Joe Frazier
1973-12-09: Muhammad Ali TKO 6 George Foreman
1974-05-11: Muhammad Ali TKO 1 Pedro Agosto
1974-09-14: Muhammad Ali SD 15 Ken Norton
1975-02-22: Muhammad Ali TKO 9 Boone Kirkman
Last edited by aaaaaaaaa : 02-17-2008 at 10:18 AM.
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