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Spritze · 02-18-2008, 04:05 PM

Plan-Nine and a half:

Instead of "molding after" I used real Negro League stats and Mr. Foster didn't play much in many years as he was busy making money owning things.

Actually no player was molded at all. Some started playing late (ie. Bullet Joe Rogan was in the army until 28 or so), some got a real job and left early and some played forever. In my test runs players like Bill Foster, Oscar Charleston and Josh Gibson finished where one might think, near the top of the leaderboards. The older negro leaguers flatly were not always as good as their reps and those don't generally play much as you noticed. Most have a couple of decent seasons and then wander off.

By real stats I mean play against other negro league teams and white barn-stormers but NOT play against town teams and all that. In many cases while doing this research I found that many negro leaguers were not as good as their oral reps might lead one to believe.

Just today I added to the db the ability to adjust the debut season backwards in a stable way. As my samples I adjusted Luke Easter to start at age 22 and Connie Marrero to start at age 27 as those were the ages they began playing organized amateur ball. Before that it was only disorganized town ball. So now I am going to think about adjusting a few more negro leaguers backwards.

The challenge about doing this according to Garlon is that too much of this fiddling and faddling will mess up OOTP's ability to assign the correct historical yearly totals to the correct players. If Josh Gibson hits 50 HR's say then maybe Joe DiMaggio only hits 42 instead of 44 as the overall HR totals will not change. That is why there is only a smattering of added players.

Base ab's doesn't seem to have messed up anything in my tests but be sure to let me know what you think.

02-18-2008, 04:05 PM	#111 (permalink)
Spritze All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Posts: 794	Plan-Nine and a half: Instead of "molding after" I used real Negro League stats and Mr. Foster didn't play much in many years as he was busy making money owning things. Actually no player was molded at all. Some started playing late (ie. Bullet Joe Rogan was in the army until 28 or so), some got a real job and left early and some played forever. In my test runs players like Bill Foster, Oscar Charleston and Josh Gibson finished where one might think, near the top of the leaderboards. The older negro leaguers flatly were not always as good as their reps and those don't generally play much as you noticed. Most have a couple of decent seasons and then wander off. By real stats I mean play against other negro league teams and white barn-stormers but NOT play against town teams and all that. In many cases while doing this research I found that many negro leaguers were not as good as their oral reps might lead one to believe. Just today I added to the db the ability to adjust the debut season backwards in a stable way. As my samples I adjusted Luke Easter to start at age 22 and Connie Marrero to start at age 27 as those were the ages they began playing organized amateur ball. Before that it was only disorganized town ball. So now I am going to think about adjusting a few more negro leaguers backwards. The challenge about doing this according to Garlon is that too much of this fiddling and faddling will mess up OOTP's ability to assign the correct historical yearly totals to the correct players. If Josh Gibson hits 50 HR's say then maybe Joe DiMaggio only hits 42 instead of 44 as the overall HR totals will not change. That is why there is only a smattering of added players. Base ab's doesn't seem to have messed up anything in my tests but be sure to let me know what you think.