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Originally Posted by RonCo
Bottom line, OOTP's development methodology has always been pretty weird. It passes muster at the highest levels of abstraction today better than it ever has, but it's individual player model is much more volitile than it was back in the v5 days. It will be interesting to see what the reaction is to the v9 engine.
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That's all I'm getting at. Yes, lots of players dropped off. Steve Avery had an injury that basically ended his career. Hanson dropped off at 31. Jose Guzman was injury-ridden. Sorensen was mostly mediocre (one great short season in 81) and retired at 33 without much decline.
Koch was a reliever who never showed much control and really didn't "decline" so much as lost the last of his control at age 30. Allan Anderson? He struck out like 1 guy a season, he probably just never had the stuff to fool people for long.
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Originally Posted by Matter2003
Not seeing where this guy was so great----he allowed more hits than innings pitched in all of his seasons playing. Yeah he had an OK ERA, but he still allowed lots of baserunners....
Perhaps the scouts finally realized that his overall abilities weren't as good as they are projecting, and are making him where he should be...
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Uhh... he had over a 3-1 K-BB ratio for 3 seasons, top 10 all 3 seasons he pitched and he finished top 10 in K/9 once too. His HR rate was pretty standard, about 1 per 9 IP, a little lower in a pitcher's park. His BABIP was overly high in 2024, but his VORP was still almost 40 a season. He's 50th in the league in VORP over the last 4 seasons, while only pitching 3 of them, if he had another average season, he'd be the 27th best starter in the league, and his BABIP is higher than the NL average over that time too.
The "scouts" were not adjusting their realization on him, he just had a mysterious falling apart. And no, right now his stats are fine, its just that we all know once his ratings drop a little more, he's not going to be worth having around. I'm "pre-angry" at not having him in my rotation down the road.
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Last edited by mrbill : 06-01-2008 at 09:13 PM.
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