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Old 12-18-2008, 03:01 AM   #175 (permalink)
djday45
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Lamar Clark

Ok why this man is rated so weirdly in the database escapes me, I can only think due to his opposition the rater wanted to be cautious in the extreme, but it makes no sense if you take into account his amateur career.

Anyway here is my take.

FOULS - Often. He was part of Fullmer's stable and its documented in places that he took on Gene's rough tough style of mauling and fouling.

FIGHT OUTSIDE -0. Down one. He didnt box lets not kid ourselves he knocked people out simple as that.

GO FOR KNOCKOUT - 4. Up one. This guy still holds the most ko's in a row record, lets try and rate him so that could be a possible reality against bad opposition.

CONDITIONING -3. Lets not give out these ones!!!!! The conditioning part of the game is one I feel is very important in causing upsets and imposing some unforseen reality dosage on the game sometimes, lets use it and not make every boxer perfect! only the perfect ones! which then shows up how special they are in this catergory, why do people make everyone a Holyfield and Marciano here?

INTELLECT -5. Up Two, very loath to reduce this below 5 unless for real lossing record bottom feeders, we have to ensure Clark can put those go for knockouts to good use.

CONTROL VS BOXER - 7. Jesus a 4? whats going on here? this guy fought Ali for gods sake. was a golden gloves amateur champ and had 44 stoppages on the bounce. This for me is all about consistency in your own ratings and universe. Choose a control rating for lets say a very good top quality contender. I have always taken this as a 10 due to so much exp with the board game. Then place everyone in catergories around that default rating.
Then be very, very consistent. Take the fighter your rating, look at what style he was best fighting against, place him where you feel in your gut he falls, major contender, minor contender, gatekeeper, journeyman, trial horse, tomato can, or maybe, championship contender, champion, long term champ, all time great, best of all time, etc, etc, make your catergories for that particular rating then go with it and be consistent. Here i feel he would be best against fellow sluggers and think he was prob a minor contender agaisnt them so want to give him a 9. To show he struggled badly against boxers I will reduce that to 7 against them. But a 4? a 4? omg lol. This is the problem with such a huge database and so many different people over a long period of time rating officially. - INCONSISTENCY. Its the big problem running through the ratings from top to bottom but its most glaringly apparent at both ends of the scale, sorry rant over.

CONTROL VS SLUGGER - 9. See above.

CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN -3. Improved by two. Hes too vulnerable at five, Again hes one of these fighters that his initial punch resistance is average but not bad but once hurt its a massive problem.

RECOVERY -2. Improved by two. He got off the canvas twice to win against Crump, His recovery powers were ok, not awful.

RESISTANCE TO CUTS -2. Improved by one, there is no evidence to suggest he was very suseptable to cuts.

KILLER INSTINCT -9. Plus one. Again lets make him play how he should.

ENDURANCE -5. Down one. Normally I would be very reluctant to reduce this past 6 but look at his record he clearly was still an amateur fighter who ran out of steam if he went past round 4. Lets show the huge glaring weakness for what it was and was a big reason in his defeat to Rademacher.

FAST STARTER -0. Improved one, Duh if anyone should have a zero here its someone like Clark.

FIGHT ON ROPES - 3. Lets show his lack of rounds experiance here as a weakness.

HITTING POWER -11. Up three. Big increase here from an eight. An eight? lets make him the power puncher he was. yes I know the opposition was crap but he still took all 44 of them out, this is still no mean feat otherwise it would have been broken by now. His one huge asset was power lets give it too him.

PUNCHING 34. improved one step. Lets make him slow yes but not criminally so.

COUNTERPUNCHING -28. Down one step, I dont normally like having a gap of more than four between punching and countering but I think its quite apt here to show his weakness and lack of experiance, he was all about punching not reacting.

PUNCHES MISSED -66. Lets make him even more wild and Gene Fullmer like and more open to counters from boxers like Ali lol.

OVERALL RATING -3. Up three. Big jump but this guy is not a zero, Ali broke his nose he didnt go out on the canvas, he was a golden gloves champ who still to this day holds that ko record, lets show some respect and show in the game what he was good at as well as his weaknessess. He should now blow out your toamto cans easily and nastily but then when he steps up in competition especially against slick boxers blow up in spectacular style especially in the later rounds, now dosent that sound familiar? mmmm
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