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phightin · 03-07-2009, 01:37 AM

I agree that guys like Warner and Brady have great success because of their quick release, but like I said thats all about ability to read coverages. They're able to get rid of the ball so quickly because of their ability to drop back and see the coverages and options etc and make great decisions. In terms of that aspect like you said we're in total agreement. Obviously the ability to read coverages and make good decisions is the single most important aspect for any nfl qb, and I would put arm strength/ability to make the throws the 2nd most behind it. I also agree that if I were the lions or any other team I wouldn't touch Stafford or Sanchez with a 10 foot pole. Both are way too suspect to warrant a high pick and are at best a late 1st round pick.

I disagree though that the college game weeds out the guys who can't make all the throws solely because of all the guys who go under the radar and the ones that are over-hyped every year. It has gotten better in recent years though, and like I said I think NFL teams are finally start to get it by being able to see past it. For instance guys like Brady, Rothelisberger, etc were on college teams that lacked the talent other more hyped guys had around them, and thus were taken lower then they should have been. Guys like Leinart, Russell, Young, Vick etc etc etc were all guys who played within a system where they had a massive amount of talent and great o-lines in front of them. They still lacked the physical and mental attributes needed for the nfl, but thus their numbers and success was vastly inflated from what it should have been, and they were able to get away with things that would never work in the nfl. A perfect example of this right now is Colt McCoy. McCoy on paper would seem to have a tremendous amount of accuracy and is able to make a lot of throws, but you couple that with the quality of the defenses in the Big 12 and the fact that he has a tendency to use his feet and run out of the pocket to make a throw and you can see how this would be problematic. It's impossible to try to get a feel of how he would react to nfl defenses, ie he looked suspect against ohio state, and i can pretty much say for a fact that he wont be able to get away with using his feet and speed in the nfl, defenses are just too fast. So instead of having a college qb who drops back and tries to read pass coverages you have one, all be it with great numbers on a great team, who uses his athleticism to get by.

Lastly, I agree with the other guy that at times there are guys like a Manning that you have to take with a high pick, but they are just too and far between. Put yourself in the position of an nfl gm, you're going to be judged not so much by the guys you dont take but more so by the guys you do. It's all about getting quality players at the position your pick is, and the safest way to do that in the early rounds is to get an OL or DL.

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phightin Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 445 Thanks: 5 Thanked 15x in 13 posts	I agree that guys like Warner and Brady have great success because of their quick release, but like I said thats all about ability to read coverages. They're able to get rid of the ball so quickly because of their ability to drop back and see the coverages and options etc and make great decisions. In terms of that aspect like you said we're in total agreement. Obviously the ability to read coverages and make good decisions is the single most important aspect for any nfl qb, and I would put arm strength/ability to make the throws the 2nd most behind it. I also agree that if I were the lions or any other team I wouldn't touch Stafford or Sanchez with a 10 foot pole. Both are way too suspect to warrant a high pick and are at best a late 1st round pick. I disagree though that the college game weeds out the guys who can't make all the throws solely because of all the guys who go under the radar and the ones that are over-hyped every year. It has gotten better in recent years though, and like I said I think NFL teams are finally start to get it by being able to see past it. For instance guys like Brady, Rothelisberger, etc were on college teams that lacked the talent other more hyped guys had around them, and thus were taken lower then they should have been. Guys like Leinart, Russell, Young, Vick etc etc etc were all guys who played within a system where they had a massive amount of talent and great o-lines in front of them. They still lacked the physical and mental attributes needed for the nfl, but thus their numbers and success was vastly inflated from what it should have been, and they were able to get away with things that would never work in the nfl. A perfect example of this right now is Colt McCoy. McCoy on paper would seem to have a tremendous amount of accuracy and is able to make a lot of throws, but you couple that with the quality of the defenses in the Big 12 and the fact that he has a tendency to use his feet and run out of the pocket to make a throw and you can see how this would be problematic. It's impossible to try to get a feel of how he would react to nfl defenses, ie he looked suspect against ohio state, and i can pretty much say for a fact that he wont be able to get away with using his feet and speed in the nfl, defenses are just too fast. So instead of having a college qb who drops back and tries to read pass coverages you have one, all be it with great numbers on a great team, who uses his athleticism to get by. Lastly, I agree with the other guy that at times there are guys like a Manning that you have to take with a high pick, but they are just too and far between. Put yourself in the position of an nfl gm, you're going to be judged not so much by the guys you dont take but more so by the guys you do. It's all about getting quality players at the position your pick is, and the safest way to do that in the early rounds is to get an OL or DL.