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Old 06-07-2009, 05:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
knockahoma
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You know, there's a lot of talk about stats that are predictors. I've just been delving into RTOT today. The years 74-76 and 83-87 are my favorites. I've played thousands and thousands of games in those periods with various baseball applications (APBA, STRAT, MOGUL, OOTP). Plus, I was an avid baseball fan in that era. So, I kind of know those rosters inside out.

Putting aside for a moment whether managers had it right on philosophy back in the 70s, the predictive ability of this stat regarding trades has been fascinating so far-- and I might add, a real testament to STRAT's defense ratings, an area of immense pride for the company for years.

The stat appears early on to be a great predictor of moves based on a particular philosophy.

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AL EAST 74

Oakland 38.8

Texas -28.8 (5gb)

Min -20

chic -39.3

kc -25

cal -25
Texas people apparently perceived this "run saved" issue through watching games and other stats. In the next few years, they found a good CF (Beniquez, an eventual gold glover) and moved Harrah to 3B, picked up Campy at SS, a year after trading their other shortstop prospect, Roy Smalley, to Minnesota for pitching help.

Meanwhile, Minnesotat took 2b Carew (-6.5 in 74 and 4.1 in 75) and moved him to 1B, where he scored a +9. In 1975, Danny Thompson scored horribly at SS (-14). So, Minnesota traded for Texas prospect Roy Smalley (+5.2 in 76) and set Bob Randall at 2b (-1.8, +2.9 and +14.1 in his first 3 seasons with Minn).

So, looking at the infield in 74 for Minn, 1B Kusiak, 2B, Carew, SS Thompson, Minnesota scored about a -5.

Minn (sensing the difference between Baltimore and Oakland in this area?) tried to improve its infield defense. In 76, with Carew at 1B (+8.9), Randall at 2b (-1.8) and Smalley at SS (5.2), Minnesota's differential in the category was about +12.7 runs saved above average player, just with those 3 positions changes.

When you look at the leaders in that category in 74 (Bost 46, Balt 42, Oak, 38), that's a significant percentage.


Over in the east in 74,

Quote:
BAL 43.6 (above the average player runs saved number)
NY 21.7
BOS 46.1
CLE 37
MIL 18
DET -26

the Yankees seemed to see their own mediocre score in a category that had yet to be devised. The Orioles infield of

2b: Grich (6.8)
SS Belanger ( +17.9)
3b Robinson (13.0)

finished with +37.7 runs saved over the average players per year.

Meanwhile, the Yanks finished with

2b Sandy Alomar (4.8),
SS Jim Mason (-5)
and Graig Nettles (13.0)

for a total of +13.2.

The Yanks started looking for a double-play combo to beef up a score they didn't know existed.

They traded for 2B Willie Randolph and got SS Bucky Dent. In 1977, when the Yankees newest dynasty began after a disappointing 76 series showing, the infield score looked like this:

Randolph +11.6
Dent 10.7
Nettles 17.5

+39.8 runs above average player saved... from those three positions alone.


Two observations. These numbers can get pretty wild looking with just a smaller playing times. But then, most numbers can. The general idea still holds true if you look at career numbers in this category. A part of me hates to do that, since it flattens out some great players who get old, failing to reflect some great seasons for what they were.

Last edited by knockahoma; 06-07-2009 at 05:58 PM.
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