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Carlton · 06-15-2004, 07:07 PM

Big Train,

The thing is with programming which is based purely on numbers and various formulas...DIPS is probably the best way to evaluate pitchers so that various "variables" come into play and that all players are not static carbon copies. Same pitcher, same ratings but put on two different teams might have two very distinct careers.

Now as an evaluation of pitchers in general...I believe DIPS is BS, but there is no way in OOTP, a statistical program to have someone such Estaban Loaiza learn the cutter and revive his career, A pitcher getting surgery and pitching with a new arm basically or even a 3 fingered coal miner being able to pitch a sinker because of his deformity, thus gaining an advantage over batters.

There is ALOT more to pitching than DIPS...various grips on the same pitch so the spin is over or under emphasized, tipping off the changeup...etc IMO

However, for a program, I really believe a DIPS based system is much more realistic and shows more variance then the old engine. I want to see Chief Bender and Eddie Plank struggle w/o a 100,000 IF, or Alex Pearson have a better shoot than his ratings suggest with Tinkers-Evers and Chance behind him.

Point is, with DIPS, OOTP is more of a challenge, and a puzzle than with the old engine.

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Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Troy, NY Posts: 2,734 Thanks: 52 Thanked 16x in 14 posts	Big Train, The thing is with programming which is based purely on numbers and various formulas...DIPS is probably the best way to evaluate pitchers so that various "variables" come into play and that all players are not static carbon copies. Same pitcher, same ratings but put on two different teams might have two very distinct careers. Now as an evaluation of pitchers in general...I believe DIPS is BS, but there is no way in OOTP, a statistical program to have someone such Estaban Loaiza learn the cutter and revive his career, A pitcher getting surgery and pitching with a new arm basically or even a 3 fingered coal miner being able to pitch a sinker because of his deformity, thus gaining an advantage over batters. There is ALOT more to pitching than DIPS...various grips on the same pitch so the spin is over or under emphasized, tipping off the changeup...etc IMO However, for a program, I really believe a DIPS based system is much more realistic and shows more variance then the old engine. I want to see Chief Bender and Eddie Plank struggle w/o a 100,000 IF, or Alex Pearson have a better shoot than his ratings suggest with Tinkers-Evers and Chance behind him. Point is, with DIPS, OOTP is more of a challenge, and a puzzle than with the old engine. __________________ "Curt's a friend of mine," Glanville said. "We used to play video games together. He killed one of my characters one time. I never forgot that."