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Old 06-04-2002, 06:34 AM   #1
TimC
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In my league some of the owners have been talking about something we've noticed. The game seems to punish teams who have too many good starting pitchers. Is this something others have noticed?

Does the game "punish" good pitchers who are in the #4 or #5 spot of the rotation by inflating their ERA?

Does the game punish teams who have too many good SPs, again, by inflating their ERAs?

It just seems to me that if I have a bunch of good pitchers, one or two of them always have ERAs in the 5's when really they should be 3 or 4. Maybe (and hopefully) we're just imagining this problem.
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Old 06-04-2002, 07:31 AM   #2
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To my knowledge there is nothing in the code that intentionally inflats a pitchers rating because of their spot in the rotation, in fact often my #3 or #4 starter has had the best numbers of any of my pitchers.

I believe you guys are imagining the problem.. although its quite frustrating when you sign that big free agent pitcher and watch him flop on your team.

Now if the teams seemingly effected have bad defense or unfavorable stadiums, or picked older pitchers these are all potential sources of what you are noticing. (Old pitchers can deteriorate ahead of their ratings, stadiums can have influence, and defense is huge in OOTP4)

Edit - also remembers sometimes scouts (even when scouts are turned off you all get the same default scout) are wrong and the ratings may not be how high they actually are... or that guy with 6's across the board might be 60-60-60-60, as opposed to 69-69-69-69, which is a significant difference (you never see the true ratings).

Other things to consider are the pitchers endurance... they could be wearing out early, and if they are left in a batter or two too long (pitchers deteriorate before they turn red) they may get hammered, also if the bullpen isn't good then they will allow a lot of inherited runners to score.

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Old 06-04-2002, 08:28 AM   #3
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This would be real easy to test - just create a small league (faster simming), create 5 Pedro's (name them based on their spot in the rotation - Pedro1, Pedro2, etc.) for one team, turn injuries and trading off, and sim 10 seasons while saving that clubs pitching stats page each year.
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Old 06-04-2002, 08:48 AM   #4
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I have not had this problem. During my current season I have 4 starters with ERAs under 3.5. The 4th starter was the 5th, but I switched him in the rotation with the guy who was the 4th.
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Old 06-04-2002, 09:32 AM   #5
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If all of your pitcher's ERA's are inflated, I would look at your defense first. You can save nearly a full run a game (or more) depending on the offensive level in your league, simply by having A defense at second/short and C or higher everywhere else.

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