PLAYER DEVELOPMENT

LedgerSko · 01-29-2002, 06:52 PM

Lets say I have a player in AAA. A 24 year old LF. He has ratings as good in every category in terms of talent. His ability ratings are all about 4. Will he develope better in AAA or would he develope the same in the majors.

Scott
NBSL

Steve Kuffrey · 01-30-2002, 01:30 AM

I would say it depends on your "need" but being 24 he will probably do OK at the major league level(not great right away however). No "sure things" though.

Subby · 01-30-2002, 05:52 AM

I think he asked if a player at that point would develop better at AAA or at the major league level, so I am not sure if you really answered his question.

To me and many other owners, the question of WHEN to bring a guy up from AAA to the big leagues is of major concern. I realize it is not an exact science, but I am wondering at what point you are hurting a players development by leaving him in AAA. Further, does "Player X" get to a point where his ratings would increase more quickly at the Big League level than if he remained in AAA?

Thanks.

MizzouRah · 01-30-2002, 06:04 AM

I would bring him up and see how he does, maybe about 25 games and check his stats, if he struggles I would move him back down into AAA, if he does good, leave him in and trade you previous starting player for a need.

I've seen guys at 22 come up to the biggs and stay and I've seen 26 year olds need more time in the minors.

Todd

J P Falcon · 01-30-2002, 06:11 AM

I would like to see more defensive development occur on the major league level. The main catagories that improve or decline in the majors are offensive and pitcher ratings. I don't think I've ever seen a player's defensive percentage change while playing in the majors. If a everyday player with a rating of .950 ended a season with a .975 feilding percentage, his rating should be bumped up a few points. Conversely, should his season percentage be less, then his rating would be reduced.

Steve Kuffrey · 01-30-2002, 06:38 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Subby:
<strong>I think he asked if a player at that point would develop better at AAA or at the major league level, so I am not sure if you really answered his question.

To me and many other owners, the question of WHEN to bring a guy up from AAA to the big leagues is of major concern. I realize it is not an exact science, but I am wondering at what point you are hurting a players development by leaving him in AAA. Further, does "Player X" get to a point where his ratings would increase more quickly at the Big League level than if he remained in AAA?

Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, just overlooked that....I don't think there is a "hard and fast" rule, but I would agree with TrueCardinal and say try him out and see.

Kevin · 01-30-2002, 07:38 AM

That's one of the few challenges in the game. You should have to take a leap of faith at some point.
I'm amazed it keeps coming up, yet people complain about the game being easy. I think it would be better if we got away from the red and green arrows in the minors, too. There shouldn't be a tried and trued method that works a majority of the time, just like in real baseball.

MizzouRah · 01-30-2002, 08:52 AM

I agree, I don't even look at the arrows, for the most part I go with stats - although I have been getting away from that as the game seems to rely on moving your players up when the arrows tell you to.

I would like to have the option to sign a manager of the minor leagues who based on his ratings would be responsible for moving your players up and down and also send you an email report on the 3 minor league systems.

Todd

bigphesta · 01-30-2002, 09:25 AM

[quote] Sorry, just overlooked that....I don't think there is a "hard and fast" rule, but I would agree with TrueCardinal and say try him out and see. <hr></blockquote>

That's perhaps my favorite part of this game, NO ONE knows for sure. I just can't get enough of this game! And the wait for OOTP 4 is brutal!

[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: bigphesta ]</p>

LaVar Arrington · 01-30-2002, 09:34 AM

What about players getting too old and festering in the minors? I have some 28year olds that seem to be bums in my computer controlled team's AAA teams. Do they decided these guys are bums and let them go so the younger guys can get some PT?

At what age, even if they have decent ratings should you give up on them?

hellfrozeover · 01-30-2002, 04:35 PM

Whenever they stop producing. In the minors, If a player hasn't reached his potential by 30, I figure he's either going to be a bench player or a career minor leaguer. If he's a good defensive player, I sometimes offer low contracts or otherwise let them go into free agency.

01-29-2002, 06:52 PM	#1
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	PLAYER DEVELOPMENT Lets say I have a player in AAA. A 24 year old LF. He has ratings as good in every category in terms of talent. His ability ratings are all about 4. Will he develope better in AAA or would he develope the same in the majors. Scott NBSL

01-30-2002, 01:30 AM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,022	I would say it depends on your "need" but being 24 he will probably do OK at the major league level(not great right away however). No "sure things" though. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

01-30-2002, 06:38 AM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,022	[quote]Originally posted by Subby: <strong>I think he asked if a player at that point would develop better at AAA or at the major league level, so I am not sure if you really answered his question. To me and many other owners, the question of WHEN to bring a guy up from AAA to the big leagues is of major concern. I realize it is not an exact science, but I am wondering at what point you are hurting a players development by leaving him in AAA. Further, does "Player X" get to a point where his ratings would increase more quickly at the Big League level than if he remained in AAA? Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote> Sorry, just overlooked that....I don't think there is a "hard and fast" rule, but I would agree with TrueCardinal and say try him out and see. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

01-30-2002, 07:38 AM	#7
Kevin All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 501	That's one of the few challenges in the game. You should have to take a leap of faith at some point. I'm amazed it keeps coming up, yet people complain about the game being easy. I think it would be better if we got away from the red and green arrows in the minors, too. There shouldn't be a tried and trued method that works a majority of the time, just like in real baseball. __________________ It seems more like today than it did all day yesterday.

01-30-2002, 04:35 PM	#11
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Whenever they stop producing. In the minors, If a player hasn't reached his potential by 30, I figure he's either going to be a bench player or a career minor leaguer. If he's a good defensive player, I sometimes offer low contracts or otherwise let them go into free agency. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-30-2002, 05:52 AM	#3
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	I think he asked if a player at that point would develop better at AAA or at the major league level, so I am not sure if you really answered his question. To me and many other owners, the question of WHEN to bring a guy up from AAA to the big leagues is of major concern. I realize it is not an exact science, but I am wondering at what point you are hurting a players development by leaving him in AAA. Further, does "Player X" get to a point where his ratings would increase more quickly at the Big League level than if he remained in AAA? Thanks.

01-30-2002, 06:04 AM	#4
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,251	I would bring him up and see how he does, maybe about 25 games and check his stats, if he struggles I would move him back down into AAA, if he does good, leave him in and trade you previous starting player for a need. I've seen guys at 22 come up to the biggs and stay and I've seen 26 year olds need more time in the minors. Todd

01-30-2002, 06:11 AM	#5
J P Falcon Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 406	I would like to see more defensive development occur on the major league level. The main catagories that improve or decline in the majors are offensive and pitcher ratings. I don't think I've ever seen a player's defensive percentage change while playing in the majors. If a everyday player with a rating of .950 ended a season with a .975 feilding percentage, his rating should be bumped up a few points. Conversely, should his season percentage be less, then his rating would be reduced.

01-30-2002, 08:52 AM	#8
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,251	I agree, I don't even look at the arrows, for the most part I go with stats - although I have been getting away from that as the game seems to rely on moving your players up when the arrows tell you to. I would like to have the option to sign a manager of the minor leagues who based on his ratings would be responsible for moving your players up and down and also send you an email report on the 3 minor league systems. Todd

01-30-2002, 09:25 AM	#9
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	[quote] Sorry, just overlooked that....I don't think there is a "hard and fast" rule, but I would agree with TrueCardinal and say try him out and see. <hr></blockquote> That's perhaps my favorite part of this game, NO ONE knows for sure. I just can't get enough of this game! And the wait for OOTP 4 is brutal! [ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: bigphesta ]</p>

01-30-2002, 09:34 AM	#10
LaVar Arrington Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5	What about players getting too old and festering in the minors? I have some 28year olds that seem to be bums in my computer controlled team's AAA teams. Do they decided these guys are bums and let them go so the younger guys can get some PT? At what age, even if they have decent ratings should you give up on them?