Manners.

HolyCow98 · 04-23-2002, 06:35 AM

I would just like to express some thoughts on a few things concerning posts. I believe that this board has a section for just about eveyone. If you love the game, you can come here and say what you want, if you have some things you wish were in the game or things you think don't work right or you feel should work better but you still like the game and are mildly disappointed or frustrated then post it in the Wishlist section. If you feel you have been ripped off than like any other product go to the technical support section and post you would like your money back and tell them why in as much detail as possible as it will still help the games growth. I do believe in the free speech and believe everyone should have there opinion. There was a post I read where it had a very negative tone in the title and some very negative tones about the game and the development of the game and in some cases the developer it self. I do not think that was the right places, or IMO the right tone to use in a public place where for the most part a large group of people go to talk and discuss and sometimes just read what other people are having happen in their game and to just have a good time. The really sad part of this was the post I read brought up some really good points that would be an the benefit of the game and the growth of the game but it was done all wrong in a place that is best suited for the fans, again there is a place where everyone can say what they want to say but any one should realize that if you go to where the "fans" of a particular product go to talk about the product than the majority are going to take it as "bashing" the game, valid points or not. I read the post and took out of it what I wanted and added some things to a wish list in the proper section. I know it doesn't really matter but I get tired of people bashing different games in, IMO, A improper venue. Just have some manners.

Drinky Crow · 04-23-2002, 06:38 AM

I second the notion. Whatever your opinion/problem/POV if you express it politely you will be heard, and you may even get useful feedback that will turn into a mature discussion. I think everyone here welcomes reasonable posts even if they are expressing a dissenting opinion.

Subby · 04-23-2002, 07:57 AM

Hey Cow - the Unabomber called. He wants his cogent writing style back.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Fritz · 04-23-2002, 07:59 AM

I missed the bashing forum. Can you direct me to it?

Daimyo · 04-23-2002, 08:00 AM

Subby, the jerk store called. They want you back.

Subby · 04-23-2002, 08:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Daimyo:
Subby, the jerk store called. They want you back.

<hr /></blockquote>Jerk store is always a classic.

Fritz · 04-23-2002, 08:09 AM

yes yes

Maple Leafs · 04-23-2002, 09:29 AM

What happened to that thread? Seemed like there was some worthwhile discussion in there. I hope someone didn't intentionally delete it just because some of the posts were negative.

I've probably just misplaced it. I hope.

Shorty · 04-23-2002, 09:31 AM

the FOF invasion! I love it!

HolyCow98 · 04-23-2002, 09:35 AM

Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there.

Dagrims · 04-23-2002, 10:11 AM

For those of you that don't feel like searching, here is the last post from that thread, which I hope will be acted upon by jass or anyone who has issues with the game's coding:

Markus wrote:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Jass said:
"Matter of fact, all this noise just convinces me further that things are screwed up. The company has had a "sit down and shut up" policy for years to anyone who complains about these issues, point number two in the "not caring" argument. Go ahead, embarrass me, put all these things in a patch."

OK, send me an email, list all the things you would like to get changed/fixed/added (I am working on the 4.1 update right now), and I'll try to embarrass you.
See, I want OOTP to be a good game. Not good at only certain parts, but good at all parts. I might not be the greatest programmer on earth, but I know some things as well. The thing that bothers me is that my english is rather basic, so I cannot use all those rhetorical phrases you throw around in order to make your arguments look good. I do not say that you do not have valid points, though. All I know is that I know my engine, and I know it doesn't work the way you suggested. The other things, like league averages, make sense to me, and seriously, I do not know why they are not a part of OOTP yet. Maybe I am just human and forgot to put some vital (for some people) parts into the game... so help me, send me an email, and let's see if the 4.1 update satisfies you <hr /></blockquote>To me, that seems like a very reasonable post. Perhaps we can get back to debating game issues in a mature manner, where phrases like 'get your panties out of your butt' aren't necessary.

Chris

jass · 04-23-2002, 10:27 AM

It is a very reasonable post. I'm just sorry I have to find it rooting around in here.

Killebrew · 04-23-2002, 10:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jass:
It is a very reasonable post. I'm just sorry I have to find it rooting around in here.<hr /></blockquote>Um, why are you sorry?

Maple Leafs · 04-23-2002, 10:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by HolyCow98:
Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there.<hr /></blockquote>Right you are. Although it isn't listed in the regular message list anymore.

I liked the last post by Markus. Seems like a reasonable response.

Killebrew · 04-23-2002, 10:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maple Leafs:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by HolyCow98:
Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there.<hr /></blockquote>Although it isn't listed in the regular message list anymore.<hr /></blockquote>Ahh - I get it now

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Fritz · 04-24-2002, 12:52 AM

do we have to be so mature we can't say 'get your panties out of your butt?'.

04-23-2002, 06:35 AM	#1
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Manners. I would just like to express some thoughts on a few things concerning posts. I believe that this board has a section for just about eveyone. If you love the game, you can come here and say what you want, if you have some things you wish were in the game or things you think don't work right or you feel should work better but you still like the game and are mildly disappointed or frustrated then post it in the Wishlist section. If you feel you have been ripped off than like any other product go to the technical support section and post you would like your money back and tell them why in as much detail as possible as it will still help the games growth. I do believe in the free speech and believe everyone should have there opinion. There was a post I read where it had a very negative tone in the title and some very negative tones about the game and the development of the game and in some cases the developer it self. I do not think that was the right places, or IMO the right tone to use in a public place where for the most part a large group of people go to talk and discuss and sometimes just read what other people are having happen in their game and to just have a good time. The really sad part of this was the post I read brought up some really good points that would be an the benefit of the game and the growth of the game but it was done all wrong in a place that is best suited for the fans, again there is a place where everyone can say what they want to say but any one should realize that if you go to where the "fans" of a particular product go to talk about the product than the majority are going to take it as "bashing" the game, valid points or not. I read the post and took out of it what I wanted and added some things to a wish list in the proper section. I know it doesn't really matter but I get tired of people bashing different games in, IMO, A improper venue. Just have some manners. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-23-2002, 08:08 AM	#6
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Daimyo: <strong>Subby, the jerk store called. They want you back. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jerk store is always a classic.

04-23-2002, 09:31 AM	#9
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	the FOF invasion! I love it! __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

04-23-2002, 09:35 AM	#10
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-23-2002, 10:11 AM	#11
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,829	For those of you that don't feel like searching, here is the last post from that thread, which I hope will be acted upon by jass or anyone who has issues with the game's coding: Markus wrote: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Jass said: "Matter of fact, all this noise just convinces me further that things are screwed up. The company has had a "sit down and shut up" policy for years to anyone who complains about these issues, point number two in the "not caring" argument. Go ahead, embarrass me, put all these things in a patch." OK, send me an email, list all the things you would like to get changed/fixed/added (I am working on the 4.1 update right now), and I'll try to embarrass you. See, I want OOTP to be a good game. Not good at only certain parts, but good at all parts. I might not be the greatest programmer on earth, but I know some things as well. The thing that bothers me is that my english is rather basic, so I cannot use all those rhetorical phrases you throw around in order to make your arguments look good. I do not say that you do not have valid points, though. All I know is that I know my engine, and I know it doesn't work the way you suggested. The other things, like league averages, make sense to me, and seriously, I do not know why they are not a part of OOTP yet. Maybe I am just human and forgot to put some vital (for some people) parts into the game... so help me, send me an email, and let's see if the 4.1 update satisfies you </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">To me, that seems like a very reasonable post. Perhaps we can get back to debating game issues in a mature manner, where phrases like 'get your panties out of your butt' aren't necessary. Chris __________________ "Read books, get brain."

04-23-2002, 06:38 AM	#2
Drinky Crow Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lost Angeles, CA Posts: 152	I second the notion. Whatever your opinion/problem/POV if you express it politely you will be heard, and you may even get useful feedback that will turn into a mature discussion. I think everyone here welcomes reasonable posts even if they are expressing a dissenting opinion.

04-23-2002, 07:57 AM	#3
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	Hey Cow - the Unabomber called. He wants his cogent writing style back. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

04-23-2002, 07:59 AM	#4
Fritz Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 81	I missed the bashing forum. Can you direct me to it?

04-23-2002, 08:00 AM	#5
Daimyo Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Evanston, IL Posts: 15	Subby, the jerk store called. They want you back.

04-23-2002, 08:09 AM	#7
Fritz Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 81	yes yes

04-23-2002, 09:29 AM	#8
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	What happened to that thread? Seemed like there was some worthwhile discussion in there. I hope someone didn't intentionally delete it just because some of the posts were negative. I've probably just misplaced it. I hope.

04-23-2002, 10:27 AM	#12
jass Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10	It is a very reasonable post. I'm just sorry I have to find it rooting around in here.

04-23-2002, 10:32 AM	#13
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by jass: <strong>It is a very reasonable post. I'm just sorry I have to find it rooting around in here.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Um, why are you sorry? __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-23-2002, 10:41 AM	#14
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by HolyCow98: <strong>Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Right you are. Although it isn't listed in the regular message list anymore. I liked the last post by Markus. Seems like a reasonable response.

04-23-2002, 10:50 AM	#15
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Maple Leafs: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by HolyCow98: <strong>Nah, I found it when you do a search, its still there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Although it isn't listed in the regular message list anymore.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ahh - I get it now . __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-24-2002, 12:52 AM	#16
Fritz Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 81	do we have to be so mature we can't say 'get your panties out of your butt?'.