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05-31-2006, 11:14 PM
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Lexington, KY
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SELL: Front Office Football 2004
I'm looking to sell my copy of Front Office Football 2004 as I've already pre-ordered NFL Head Coach. I paid $24.95 for the game and I'm willing to sell it for $15.00 -- I prefer transferring money via paypal.
The game is currently priced at $24.95 so that's a savings of $10.00. That's a pretty firm pricing point, too. I'm not willing to negotiate off that price... I'll just keep it if I can't get $15 out of it. |
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06-01-2006, 04:23 AM
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The guy wants to sell a game you can download for free..even you can understand that
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06-01-2006, 10:25 AM
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Major Leagues
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https://www.elicense.com/solecismic/ If there's any interest then hit me at avwjase@yahoo.com |
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06-01-2006, 10:45 AM
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Minors (Triple A)
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06-02-2006, 07:39 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Kenosha, Wisconsin
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Software....
Software is not purchased or owned by the person using it, it is merely licensed for use. When one does not want to use the software any longer he simply just ceases to use the software. Software can not be transferred or sold, it is intellectual property of the creator/programmer and not owned by the purchaser.
With that said, it amazes me to see people trying to "trade" or sell software on these boards. It is illegal and can be punishable upto $10,000 or 1 year in prison in the USA. Game companies lose Millions each year on this so called "trading" of software..... If you must do it, then you are at the least ignorant of the laws, or if you understand that this is not legal then you just have very little ethics. BTW, I am a programmer/consultant, mainly business applications, so it I feel the financial blows everytime I do a program for one business and "mysteriously" the same app is used at other companies. Just my  on this touchy subject..... |
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06-02-2006, 10:14 AM
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Lexington, KY
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Well, the "gaming industry" would be ignorant to go after gamers and tell them they can't sell the games they have _legally_ purchased. The video game industry is a billion dollar one and if they start biting the hand that feeds them....
Why would they potentially lose business over something so trivial? Not to mention, how do places like GameStop, E-Bay, Amazon and EB Games manage to sell used everything -- DVD's, Compuiter games, Console games and everything in between, if it's "illegal" as you say. |
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06-02-2006, 07:24 PM
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Kenosha, Wisconsin
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Have you read the license? You DO NOT own the game, you have not purchased the game, you have purchased the license which allows YOU, the purchaser of the license, the right to USE the software...... Say Markus sells 50,000 copies of the game and 40,000 use it until the next version comes out and decide to sell it. Markus loses the income of 40,000 units plus the expected sales of about 20,000 out of the 40,000 that would possibly buy the new game. This is a big problem and while the game industry has not gone after anyone for selling one copy, they have sued businesses that reproduce and repackage the games - and these are the ones that usually end up on e-bay and reseller sites...... Just because they have not pursued anyone for selling their games does not mean that they CAN NOT pursue it if they wish. I am just stating the legalities - it is against the license agreement and you could be charged for reselling an item that you don't legally own.... Another comment you made was why would the industry lose business over something trivial - By your actions of selling the game, rather than allowing the company to make a profit from thier game, they are LOSING MONEY. It is not trivial to a company to spend 2-3 years developing a product to have someone come in and pay for it once but then trade or sell it for another game. Enough on this subject because you JUST DON'T GET IT and probably will never understand the concept of a license over ownership...... |
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06-02-2006, 08:18 PM
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Major Leagues
Join Date: Mar 2002
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And like I said, if gaming industries want to start cracking down on idiotic **** like that [assuming they even can, which I have my doubts] then people will stop buying their stuff altogether. So, for them keeping me from reselling one $25 game they'd lose $500-1000 from me annually because I'd curb my game buying substancially if I couldn't sell my games after I beat them or got tired of them. |
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06-04-2006, 09:27 AM
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Indianapolis
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Sandman, have you ever walked into an EB Games or a Gamestop. Take a walk around one and see if there is a legal market for used games. I'm pretty sure you'll find there is. Do you think the gaming companies are unaware of this? I think not. As long as avwjase
gives up both licenses then there is no problem with this legally, ethically, or morally. Do you think that the gaming companies would allow this "copyright infringement" that has never ever been ruled on go on if they really thought they could win the case against it. They know that logically it would upset all of the people who bought their game in the first place. It would create bad blood between them and the customer and that is something they are not willing to have happen. Think about it like this. Once I open a game from the store I can no longer return it for a full refund, however by just opening it I am not agreeing to anything. I have not made a contract with the developer or anyone else. However, you are saying that I could no longer sell this game to anyone else because of some kind of imaginary agreement. Thats bs. When I install the game I accept the disclaimer and the agreement (only on PC games) but that agreement does not occur until after I install the game. Therefore it does not apply until then. Last edited by cody8200 : 06-04-2006 at 09:33 AM. |
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06-07-2006, 03:26 PM
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Minors (Double A)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Cincinnati
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As a musician who is very familiar with intellectual property law, I can tell you fairly confidently that unless the license agreement expressly forbids it, you may legally tranfer all of your rights to someone else for whatever consideration you ask.
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