PROBLEM! with Arod/Garlon database

Doughnuts? · 06-09-2006, 07:18 PM

Putting it in its own thread so others don't have to see a decades worth of historical simulation ruined. I started in 1903. Had never heard of Clarence Williams. He is a negro league player who entered my universe with stats already accumulated. Unfortunately, they were not his stats, they were the career average stats of the ML player he was based upon. The bottom line is, in 1912, when I realised it, he is the career leader in hits and other stats based on these erroneous statistics, and my league is shot. This will happen with all negro league players who are active in the year you begin your league.

You guys do a great job. Just wish you had caught this. I guess I'll start my fictional league now.

redmarkYankees · 06-09-2006, 07:25 PM

It's not just the negro league players; the database is 'normalised', which means players who played in short-seasons in the 19th century, for instance, have their stats exptrapolated as if they had played 162 games. I understand that it may give a truer import (though I'm not convinced that it's significant), but it messes up stats, particularly for pitchers.

Garlon · 06-09-2006, 09:05 PM

Doughnuts? - all the negro leaguers have 15-yr career spans in the DB, we designed it this way.

Doughnuts? and redmarkYankees - if these 1800's normalized stats bother you, just import your initial season with Lahman and then use our DB for subsequent rookie classes. You'll just have to watch out for dupe players in that first season or two of the rookie draft. We included the yearly rookie draft list, so you can even check that before the draft to see which duplicate players you will need to delete. You can always use Ankit's or Gambo's DB's or even the regular Lahman. Our DB is just one more option you have.

tcblcommish · 06-10-2006, 12:11 AM

There is a thing I spotted when I used this one also. Not huge but hard to work with images.

Some player names are not getting imported correctly in the 1994 season.

Fernando Valenzuela is importing FERNAND VALENZUELA
Mark Grudzielanek is importing MARK GRUDZIELANE
John Vander Wal is importing John Vander Wa

not major issues but not sure if I did something or it's in the DB

Great work though, I love using the 94 'Spos to see them win a World Series (Hopefully)

Jim

06-09-2006, 07:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 705	PROBLEM! with Arod/Garlon database Putting it in its own thread so others don't have to see a decades worth of historical simulation ruined. I started in 1903. Had never heard of Clarence Williams. He is a negro league player who entered my universe with stats already accumulated. Unfortunately, they were not his stats, they were the career average stats of the ML player he was based upon. The bottom line is, in 1912, when I realised it, he is the career leader in hits and other stats based on these erroneous statistics, and my league is shot. This will happen with all negro league players who are active in the year you begin your league. You guys do a great job. Just wish you had caught this. I guess I'll start my fictional league now.

06-09-2006, 07:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,127	It's not just the negro league players; the database is 'normalised', which means players who played in short-seasons in the 19th century, for instance, have their stats exptrapolated as if they had played 162 games. I understand that it may give a truer import (though I'm not convinced that it's significant), but it messes up stats, particularly for pitchers. __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-09-2006, 09:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
Garlon All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,111	Doughnuts? - all the negro leaguers have 15-yr career spans in the DB, we designed it this way. Doughnuts? and redmarkYankees - if these 1800's normalized stats bother you, just import your initial season with Lahman and then use our DB for subsequent rookie classes. You'll just have to watch out for dupe players in that first season or two of the rookie draft. We included the yearly rookie draft list, so you can even check that before the draft to see which duplicate players you will need to delete. You can always use Ankit's or Gambo's DB's or even the regular Lahman. Our DB is just one more option you have. __________________ Arod23Garlon2006DB available HERE 1871 Quickstart file available HERE

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06-10-2006, 12:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
tcblcommish All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,686	There is a thing I spotted when I used this one also. Not huge but hard to work with images. Some player names are not getting imported correctly in the 1994 season. Fernando Valenzuela is importing FERNAND VALENZUELA Mark Grudzielanek is importing MARK GRUDZIELANE John Vander Wal is importing John Vander Wa not major issues but not sure if I did something or it's in the DB Great work though, I love using the 94 'Spos to see them win a World Series (Hopefully) Jim