BZ 1505: Rule 5 Eligibility

rwd59 · 06-20-2008, 11:49 PM

Why is it that all my rookies that import are immediately Rule 5 eligible? I have rookies assigned to the team they played for. I've had to play with the Rule 5 turned off ever since 6.5. Looks like I'll have to turn i off again.

Posted this again here instead of General Discussions.

Nutlaw · 06-21-2008, 12:32 PM

How many years of professional service time are they given when they are imported?

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 01:43 PM

None. I am looking at Nolan Ryan. He imported as a rookie in 1966. I had to put him on the 40 man roster to keep from losing him in the 1967 Rule 5 draft. I am now in the 1967 season and he has 1 year and 1 day time as a professional and zero major league service time.

Nutlaw · 06-21-2008, 01:45 PM

Do the players in question actually show up in the Rule 5 Draft as being draftable, or does their Player Profile just indicate that they are eligible?

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 01:51 PM

Ok, I am looking at my 1967 rookies for the Mets. As of now Amos Otis, Jerry Koosman, and Danny Frisella do not have the # making them Rule 5 eligible. I am going to sim the season and see when the # appears.

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 02:04 PM

Now another issue. I just had an injury and wanted to call up Dick Selma, a rookie who has never been called up, and he is in his last option year. How is that. He has zero ML service time. This is his 3rd year as a professional so it seems who loses an option each year even though he has never been called up.

Nutlaw · 06-21-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rwd59

Now another issue. I just had an injury and wanted to call up Dick Selma, a rookie who has never been called up, and he is in his last option year. How is that. He has zero ML service time. This is his 3rd year as a professional so it seems who loses an option each year even though he has never been called up.

Was he on the 40-man roster?

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 02:13 PM

I forgot that I turned Rule 5 off in the preseason. That is probably why they are not showing up as eligible. I am going to create another season and check it out.

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Was he on the 40-man roster?

Yes, but only because I would have lost him otherwise.

Nutlaw · 06-21-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

Yes, but only because I would have lost him otherwise.

If the game is properly mirroring MLB now, players on the 40-man roster should lose an option year each season. You essentially have to option them back down to the minors each time, even if the game is doing it automatically for you.

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 02:50 PM

My problem is being forced to add them to the 40 man roster in the first place. Ok, I just completed the first season (1965) in a test league. All my 1966 rookies were placed in the DFA box and when I moved them to the minor league team of choice they immediately became Rule 5 eligible.

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 03:18 PM

Reached the Rule 5 draft with my first set of imported rookies. Every single one of them is available to be drafted even though I never brought up any of them during their rookie season. Rule 5 is still broken and has been since version 6.5 (unless 8 worked because I didn't buy it).

Le Grande Orange · 06-21-2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwd59

Reached the Rule 5 draft with my first set of imported rookies. Every single one of them is available to be drafted...

What happens if you let the draft proceed — are the players actually selected by any team?

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 05:30 PM

Yes. I lost every one of them.

Le Grande Orange · 06-21-2008, 09:31 PM

Could you please list the exact steps you're taking and what options you've enabled when starting up the league. There might be something there that's causing this.

rwd59 · 06-21-2008, 11:02 PM

I set up my league with the wizard with recalc turned on, Rule 5 enabled, rookies assigned to their original team. Every rookie when they import goes to the DFA area. When I remove them from DFA to send them to the minors, they immediately become rule 5 eligible. I don't know what else to tell you other than it happens every time. If you have questions, i'll be glad to answer them but I don't know what else to tell you.

Le Grande Orange · 06-22-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rwd59

When I remove them from DFA to send them to the minors, they immediately become rule 5 eligible.

Possibly silly question: You have minor leagues set up for your historical league then, yes? If so, to what extent?

rwd59 · 06-22-2008, 01:15 AM

3 levels, AAA,AA,A.

rwd59 · 06-22-2008, 01:36 PM

It is not just my players, but AI players as well. I just played up through February when the new rookies are created and placed on their correct teams. Al the AI teams players who were not placed on the 40 man roster were set as Rule 5 eligible.

Nutlaw · 06-22-2008, 02:33 PM

Can anyone verify this behavior in another league?

06-20-2008, 11:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	BZ 1505: Rule 5 Eligibility Why is it that all my rookies that import are immediately Rule 5 eligible? I have rookies assigned to the team they played for. I've had to play with the Rule 5 turned off ever since 6.5. Looks like I'll have to turn i off again. Posted this again here instead of General Discussions.

06-21-2008, 12:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	How many years of professional service time are they given when they are imported? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

06-21-2008, 01:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	None. I am looking at Nolan Ryan. He imported as a rookie in 1966. I had to put him on the 40 man roster to keep from losing him in the 1967 Rule 5 draft. I am now in the 1967 season and he has 1 year and 1 day time as a professional and zero major league service time. Last edited by rwd59; 06-21-2008 at 01:44 PM. Reason: error

06-21-2008, 01:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Do the players in question actually show up in the Rule 5 Draft as being draftable, or does their Player Profile just indicate that they are eligible? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

06-21-2008, 02:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	My problem is being forced to add them to the 40 man roster in the first place. Ok, I just completed the first season (1965) in a test league. All my 1966 rookies were placed in the DFA box and when I moved them to the minor league team of choice they *immediately* became Rule 5 eligible. Last edited by rwd59; 06-21-2008 at 02:51 PM. Reason: error

06-21-2008, 01:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Ok, I am looking at my 1967 rookies for the Mets. As of now Amos Otis, Jerry Koosman, and Danny Frisella do not have the # making them Rule 5 eligible. I am going to sim the season and see when the # appears.

06-21-2008, 02:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Now another issue. I just had an injury and wanted to call up Dick Selma, a rookie who has never been called up, and he is in his last option year. How is that. He has zero ML service time. This is his 3rd year as a professional so it seems who loses an option each year even though he has never been called up.

06-21-2008, 02:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	I forgot that I turned Rule 5 off in the preseason. That is probably why they are not showing up as eligible. I am going to create another season and check it out.

06-21-2008, 03:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Reached the Rule 5 draft with my first set of imported rookies. Every single one of them is available to be drafted even though I never brought up any of them during their rookie season. Rule 5 is still broken and has been since version 6.5 (unless 8 worked because I didn't buy it). Last edited by rwd59; 06-21-2008 at 03:20 PM. Reason: added info

06-21-2008, 05:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Yes. I lost every one of them.

06-21-2008, 09:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scheduleslovakia Posts: 10,231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1,177x in 700 posts	Could you please list the exact steps you're taking and what options you've enabled when starting up the league. There might be something there that's causing this. __________________ . "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our abilities and skills, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win." .

06-21-2008, 11:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	I set up my league with the wizard with recalc turned on, Rule 5 enabled, rookies assigned to their original team. Every rookie when they import goes to the DFA area. When I remove them from DFA to send them to the minors, they immediately become rule 5 eligible. I don't know what else to tell you other than it happens every time. If you have questions, i'll be glad to answer them but I don't know what else to tell you.

06-22-2008, 01:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	3 levels, AAA,AA,A.

06-22-2008, 01:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	It is not just my players, but AI players as well. I just played up through February when the new rookies are created and placed on their correct teams. Al the AI teams players who were not placed on the 40 man roster were set as Rule 5 eligible.

06-22-2008, 02:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Can anyone verify this behavior in another league? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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