BZ 1882: All pickoff attempts are errors.

[StyxNCa]

The problem with it being too easy to pickoff runners at 2nd has been fixed, but now every pickoff attempt I have seen that has resulted in anything has been an error. I have not seen any successful pickoff attempts...at ANY base...even from my pitchers who have always been very good at pickoffs. It doesn't matter if it's my team or the opponent, all I ever see is pickoff throwing errors.

Granted, it has been a blessing to my lead foot 1st baseman who gets victimized a bit more often than I like, but still, this is a problem.

[Nutlaw]

Hrm. How many attempts have you seen to date? I may have seen similiar behavior, but not often enough to quantify it or state definitively that it is an issue.

Can you try playing in a test league and repeatedly attempting to pick off runners to see if it does in fact never work?

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Hrm. How many attempts have you seen to date? I may have seen similiar behavior, but not often enough to quantify it or state definitively that it is an issue.

Can you try playing in a test league and repeatedly attempting to pick off runners to see if it does in fact never work?

I have played 2 weeks since the new patch and there have been 4 times that an opponent has committed an error while trying to pick off my runner.

I have pitchers who made a living off picking runners off base. They would average 20 + pickoffs a season (my #1 pitcher would pick off at least 1 runner per game [from 2nd base. He never could get anyone at 1st no matter how many times I threw over there]. I know this without any stats to support it because it was something I used any time there was a runner on 2nd.

Since the new patch they have not picked off 1 runner but have committed 5 errors out of the 5 attempts that actually had a result to it.

So the last few games I decided to experiment ( not because I had really been concerned about the errors but just to see if the fix was made on how easy it was to pick a guy off 2nd) with my 2 best pickoff pitchers.

My #1 pitcher never had to throw to 2nd more than 3 times to get a runner.

So, the results were that I just kept throwing to 2nd to see if they could get a runner and how long it would take, but every time it would eventually result in an error.

At this point the errors I had seen the previous few weeks came together and it occurred to me I had not seen 1 successful pickoff from anyone...my team or the opponent. Believe me, we were vicitimized by pickoffs at first rather frequently, so it isn't a one sided thing.

As far as playing a test league, I wouldn't mind doing that but I have very limited time since I drive a truck and by the end of the day, if I feel awake enough to get the laptop out, I am only on for 30 minutes or so. But I would ask that anyone else that plays out games test it out as well.

If no one else has the problem I will just consider it a "phase" and continue playing as is.

However, I can go over the game recaps for the past few weeks of all teams and see if I can find any successful pickoffs.

[Nutlaw]

Hrm. I wonder if maybe the first pickoff attempt fails that any future pickoff attempts will also fail, at least until the next batter. I've seen a catcher pick a runner off of first using 9.1.6, but I haven't seen any pitchers pick a runner off. We can leave this thread open until we're convinced one way or another.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Hrm. I wonder if maybe the first pickoff attempt fails that any future pickoff attempts will also fail, at least until the next batter. I've seen a catcher pick a runner off of first using 9.1.6, but I haven't seen any pitchers pick a runner off. We can leave this thread open until we're convinced one way or another.

I have had my catcher pickoff 2 runners. Would be nice if there was some response from others who play out their games.

I have been running too hard lately to spend much time on the computer so I haven't even had time to play any more games.

[StyxNCa]

Nutlaw, I started this thread in general discussions about this and this is the response so far.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2563993

[Nutlaw]

Hrm. Lets see what people say over the next day or so.

[StyxNCa]

I played out 4 more games last night. None of my pitchers got any results from the multitude of attempts I tried, however, one of my opponents pitchers did commit an error on the only attempt of the 4 games that had any result..

The only pickoff I saw was one by my catcher throwing out a runner at first.

[Nutlaw]

Well, I'll log it as BZ 1882 for review.

[cbbl]

I'm glad this is logged, and will jump in to add that I also think the number of pickoff errors is excessive. I don't have hard stats to back it up, as I can't figure out an easy way to pull it other than to manually record it from each game -- too much work. Sorry.

There is another potential related issue -- pitcher errors on throws back.

I'm seeing this more often that I'd expect (I'd expect maybe one a year, if that). I mean, how many times does the pitcher drop the throw from the catcher? Certainly not twice in one game, as I just witnessed.

Again, if I could pull the stats easy I'd post them, but other than that I can only add one more opinion.

[Nutlaw]

Markus found a problem in this area and has claimed it fixed for the upcoming patch.