BZ 1884: Online league draft & release issue

Kelric · 08-18-2008, 10:15 PM

This still happens. Two teams, including mine, in my 9.1.6 online league had it happen with our first OOTP9 draft a few days ago. Everyone in the league either used the personal draft list or the AI to select their teams. My AI selected players were not released. My personal draft list guys, basically the first three rounds of the draft, were released. More than once. We can't get them to remain on my team.

The fact that this bug still exists is BS. I don't criticize OOTP on a serious level much, but I am not happy that after six years with this product there is still a critical flaw in an important facet of the game.

Kelric · 08-19-2008, 07:44 PM

Do a little dance... post a little bump... try to get it fixed tonight....

Nutlaw · 08-19-2008, 10:03 PM

Kai/Ash tipped me off to this and his post in another forum was:

"Hmm.

If that's the bug I'm thinking it is, it's caused by importing team rosters during a draft. The only "check" OOTP's import process has ever had is the game date - if an export file is from the same game date, it gets imported. So if an owner exports a file on the draft day but before the picks are made and then you import rosters after running the draft, then the game releases all the players you've drafted in the meantime because they aren't on the team in the export file. It can happen piecemeal, too, if you divide your draft rounds between multiple sims: if you're importing for Round 5, say, the presence of an export file from after Round 1 will cause all the players that team drafted in Rounds 2-4 to be released.

Before OOTP9, the solution was simple (albeit annoying): just don't import rosters on a draft day (since I stopped doing that several seasons ago, the GGNL/BJHL hasn't had any drafted players released). Since drafts had to be forum/e-mail run anyway, it didn't really make all that much difference. But with OOTP9's draft utility, that's no longer really an option, is it? You have to import rosters to get the updated draft lists.

Pending an actual fix from Markus*, I think the best way to minimize/eliminate the problem is probably to delete any export files from your FTP server after each draft "sim" and to simultaneously holler at your owners to make sure they always grab the latest file before updating their draft lists. As long as the only export files on the server are from the absolute latest league file, players shouldn't get released.

All this, of course, assumes that this is the same draft bug that OOTP has, indeed, had for years (and with which I've been successfully dealing). Since the BJHL hasn't yet moved to OOTP9 (we're just about to wrap up a season and do so), I cannot be 100% certain that this isn't some entirely new/different bug to which the above advice does not apply.

- Ash

*: There are really two ways to fix the problem:

1) Add a non-game-date-based verification to the import process (maybe a specific round/pick flag for draft days or something involving the timestamp of the last uplodaed league file, etc.) to prevent exports from before/earlier in a draft from being accepted.

2) Recode how the game handles releasing players in online leagues. Currently (as far as I can tell), the export files contain a roster list which the game then compares to the one the Commish has. If the export file doesn't list players that the Commish's copy has, the players are released. In other words, the release is only implied: the game basically thinks to itself, "if this guy doesn't appear on your roster, you must have wanted him released". If releases were, instead, handled by an explicit "release" command then, absent such a command, players would never be removed from a roster."

Nutlaw · 08-19-2008, 10:07 PM

I couldn't find this already listed, so I logged it as BZ 1884 just to be sure. High priority.

Corsairs · 08-19-2008, 11:31 PM

This is great information to have. Bookmarked for future reference. Thanks Nutlaw, and you can pass that along to Ash as well.

Kelric · 08-20-2008, 12:29 AM

There are those work arounds, but it shouldn't have to require work arounds.

f.montoya · 08-23-2008, 12:55 AM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2567251

Prodigal Son · 09-21-2008, 07:39 PM

I've posted on this several times in the past, and tech support asked me about twelve questions (at least one of which was relevant) and then ignored me.

For a franchise that has been around for so long, this game is still too buggy.

Kelric · 09-27-2008, 11:44 PM

I'd have been making a much larger fuss about this but I was distracted for a month by work and nobody from OOTP was around much at the same time anyways. Still.... this needs to be fixed.

Nutlaw · 09-30-2008, 09:05 PM

Sorry guys, but the developers have marked this as something to address at a later time.

bwburke94 · 11-04-2008, 02:24 PM

Do you realize there's an easy way to fix this? Import RIGHT BEFORE the draft. Not DURING it.

Prodigal Son · 11-04-2008, 04:00 PM

That's not a fix. That's a workaround. The devs probably have an easy way to fix it, but they're too busy coding some new feature that probably won't work right for two years.

Nutlaw · 03-21-2009, 06:21 PM

This was claimed fixed for OOTP 10.

08-18-2008, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	BZ 1884: Online league draft & release issue This still happens. Two teams, including mine, in my 9.1.6 online league had it happen with our first OOTP9 draft a few days ago. Everyone in the league either used the personal draft list or the AI to select their teams. My AI selected players were not released. My personal draft list guys, basically the first three rounds of the draft, were released. More than once. We can't get them to remain on my team. The fact that this bug still exists is BS. I don't criticize OOTP on a serious level much, but I am not happy that after six years with this product there is still a critical flaw in an important facet of the game. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

08-19-2008, 07:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	Do a little dance... post a little bump... try to get it fixed tonight.... __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

08-19-2008, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Kai/Ash tipped me off to this and his post in another forum was: "Hmm. If that's the bug I'm thinking it is, it's caused by importing team rosters during a draft. The only "check" OOTP's import process has ever had is the game date - if an export file is from the same game date, it gets imported. So if an owner exports a file on the draft day but before the picks are made and then you import rosters after running the draft, then the game releases all the players you've drafted in the meantime because they aren't on the team in the export file. It can happen piecemeal, too, if you divide your draft rounds between multiple sims: if you're importing for Round 5, say, the presence of an export file from after Round 1 will cause all the players that team drafted in Rounds 2-4 to be released. Before OOTP9, the solution was simple (albeit annoying): just don't import rosters on a draft day (since I stopped doing that several seasons ago, the GGNL/BJHL hasn't had any drafted players released). Since drafts had to be forum/e-mail run anyway, it didn't really make all that much difference. But with OOTP9's draft utility, that's no longer really an option, is it? You have to import rosters to get the updated draft lists. Pending an actual fix from Markus, I think the best way to minimize/eliminate the problem is probably to delete any export files from your FTP server after each draft "sim" and to simultaneously holler at your owners to make sure they always grab the latest file before updating their draft lists. As long as the only export files on the server are from the absolute latest league file, players shouldn't get released. All this, of course, assumes that this is the same draft bug that OOTP has, indeed, had for years (and with which I've been successfully dealing). Since the BJHL hasn't yet moved to OOTP9 (we're just about to wrap up a season and do so), I cannot be 100% certain that this isn't some entirely new/different bug to which the above advice does not apply. - Ash : There are really two ways to fix the problem: 1) Add a non-game-date-based verification to the import process (maybe a specific round/pick flag for draft days or something involving the timestamp of the last uplodaed league file, etc.) to prevent exports from before/earlier in a draft from being accepted. 2) Recode how the game handles releasing players in online leagues. Currently (as far as I can tell), the export files contain a roster list which the game then compares to the one the Commish has. If the export file doesn't list players that the Commish's copy has, the players are released. In other words, the release is only implied: the game basically thinks to itself, "if this guy doesn't appear on your roster, you must have wanted him released". If releases were, instead, handled by an explicit "release" command then, absent such a command, players would never be removed from a roster." __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

08-19-2008, 10:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	I couldn't find this already listed, so I logged it as BZ 1884 just to be sure. High priority. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

08-19-2008, 11:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Corsairs All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,904 Thanked 381x in 202 posts	This is great information to have. Bookmarked for future reference. Thanks Nutlaw, and you can pass that along to Ash as well. __________________ Commissioner of the Planetary Extreme Baseball Alliance (PEBA) and the League of the Rising Sun (LRS) Premiere OOTP fictional leagues where creativity counts and imagination is your only limitation Check for openings - contact us today! Join the PEBA Join the LRS

08-20-2008, 12:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	There are those work arounds, but it shouldn't have to require work arounds. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

08-23-2008, 12:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,712 Thanked 140x in 68 posts	http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2567251 __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

09-21-2008, 07:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,533 Thanked 14x in 7 posts	I've posted on this several times in the past, and tech support asked me about twelve questions (at least one of which was relevant) and then ignored me. For a franchise that has been around for so long, this game is still too buggy. __________________ Sign up for the Off Topic Fighting Championship! It's the best way to beat up statfreak without getting banned!

09-27-2008, 11:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	I'd have been making a much larger fuss about this but I was distracted for a month by work and nobody from OOTP was around much at the same time anyways. Still.... this needs to be fixed. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

09-30-2008, 09:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Sorry guys, but the developers have marked this as something to address at a later time. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

11-04-2008, 02:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
bwburke94 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The western border of Red Sox Nation Posts: 430 Thanked 32x in 29 posts	Do you realize there's an easy way to fix this? Import RIGHT BEFORE the draft. Not DURING it. __________________

11-04-2008, 04:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,533 Thanked 14x in 7 posts	That's not a fix. That's a workaround. The devs probably have an easy way to fix it, but they're too busy coding some new feature that probably won't work right for two years. __________________ Sign up for the Off Topic Fighting Championship! It's the best way to beat up statfreak without getting banned!

03-21-2009, 06:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	This was claimed fixed for OOTP 10. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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