40-man roster

[TheDROCK]

Im sorry if this has been asked already but i cant figure out how to take someone with a major league contract off the 40-man roster if he is in the minors? I dont want to release him, but i also need to free up a spot. does anyone know how to fix this?

[chaerulez]

I think you have to DFA to do this, meaning he has go to through waviers and if no on claims the player they have to be released.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by TheDROCK

Im sorry if this has been asked already but i cant figure out how to take someone with a major league contract off the 40-man roster if he is in the minors? I dont want to release him, but i also need to free up a spot. does anyone know how to fix this?

A player with a Major League Contract cannot be removed from the 40 man roster, regardless if he's in the minors or on the 25 man roster.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by BruceM

A player with a Major League Contract cannot be removed from the 40 man roster, regardless if he's in the minors or on the 25 man roster.

Completely correct. The only other way to effectively free up a spot on a filled 40-Man roster is when a player is assigned to the 60-Day disabled list.

You can put your player on waivers, designate him for assignment, and I believe during his DFA time he is not on the 40-Man, but once DFA time has expired you'll be looking at the same options again.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by endgame

Completely correct. The only other way to effectively free up a spot on a filled 40-Man roster is when a player is assigned to the 60-Day disabled list.

You can put your player on waivers, designate him for assignment, and I believe during his DFA time he is not on the 40-Man, but once DFA time has expired you'll be looking at the same options again.

Very true - of course if the guys a hang around you could always relase him outright too, thus freeing up a spot on the 40 man. Releasing a player outright though obligates the team to pay the remainder of his contract.

[TheDROCK]

is this the way the real major leagues work?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by TheDROCK

is this the way the real major leagues work?

Yes.

Another option too is to try and trade the guy for a prospect/prospects who are on MLC's.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by TheDROCK

is this the way the real major leagues work?

Nobody knows. There's contradictory information everywhere.
I actually think that if he has a ML contract he can't be taken off the 40-man roster... but there's plenty of information that suggests otherwise. Take a look at this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...58#post1779858

[JTSMOOTH]

The only way to remove a player from the 40 man roster with a Major league contract is to waive him, release him or trade him or if he is injured and is placed on the 60 day DL.

Really, that holds true for anyone on the 40 man roster...Not just guys with Major League contracts.

[Zeyes]

Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

The only way to remove a player from the 40 man roster with a Major league contract is to waive him, release him or trade him or if he is injured and is placed on the 60 day DL.

Yes...the sticking point is which possibilities should exist after you waive him.

[JTSMOOTH]

I believe your options are..

#1. You trade him

#2. He clears waivers, remains on the 40 man roster and plays in the minor leagues.

#3. Another team claims him

#4. If he clears waivers, you can outright his contract to the minor leagues, which does not require him to be on the 40 man roster. You have to purchase his contract back from the minor league team if you are to bring him back to the ML level.

#5. You release the player

[endgame]

Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

I believe your options are..

#4. If he clears waivers, you can outright his contract to the minor leagues, which does not require him to be on the 40 man roster. You have to purchase his contract back from the minor league team if you are to bring him back to the ML level.

And, if I'm not mistaken, this one's not in OOTP's current capacity to do.

[TheDROCK]

i thought before the patch, you could send him to the minors and take him off the 40-man roster after he cleared waivers. Am I wrong here?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by TheDROCK

i thought before the patch, you could send him to the minors and take him off the 40-man roster after he cleared waivers. Am I wrong here?

I'm pretty sure you couldn't. As Endgame said, the one thing OOTP doesn't have from JTSMOOTH's list is option #4. The other 4 are all in the game. With the ability now to have more control over minors in OOTP 2006, I wonder how difficult it would be to code that in so we can mimic real the MLB rule exactly.

[tysok]

You were able to get a MLB contract player off the 40-man before the patch... we had a discussion about that thinking it shouldn't be able to be done. I didn't test it after the patch, didn't think it had been "fixed" for this patch.

After the two discussions I've seen since, I linked the other earlier I believe, I think it was handling it right after all.

The question is though, if you "outright" a player to the minors (if you call him back up you have to purchase his contract) does that mean he keeps the ML deal he had but the ML team isn't paying it? Or does it revert to a minor league deal... speaking in terms of reality.

[Zeyes]

Originally Posted by tysok

The question is though, if you "outright" a player to the minors (if you call him back up you have to purchase his contract) does that mean he keeps the ML deal he had but the ML team isn't paying it? Or does it revert to a minor league deal... speaking in terms of reality.

All minor league players are paid by the parent club. And the ML contract stays in place even after the player is off the 40-man roster, AFAIK.

Incidentally, I remember wondering earlier whether you can only outright players who were called up during the season, or also those who signed a guaranteed ML contract before the season. Go figure, my Brewers just DFA'ed and removed their backup catcher last week (who had signed a contract for $800,000 or so in the off-season), and he was outrighted just fine today, so that's obviously possible.

[hefalumps]

I'd like to continue this discussion. I know in OOTP6 I could go through and if there were any scrubs in my minor league system that were on the 40-man roster for whatever reason, I could place them on waivers and, once they cleared, regardless of whether or not they had a big league contract, I could take them off the 40-man roster. That's the behavior I had been used to, and I thought that was how it worked in real life. But now I'm hearing that's not the case - that the only way to remove from the 40 man is to put on 60-day DL, hope they're claimed off waivers, trade em, or release them.

If that's the way it's supposed to be, that's fine. I haven't had a situation yet where I had someone in the majors who was out of options, needed to clear waivers to be sent down, and then could be "outrighted" to the minors. From what I've read, when someone gets outrighted, they not only go to the minors but get removed from the 40-man. Here's a quote from an article on all-baseball.com:

If the player clears outright waivers, the team can then take that player off the 40-man roster, and send him to the minors. This is called “outrighting” a player.

So it sounds like to me we should be able to remove players from the 40-man roster once they've cleared waivers. I'm so confused.

Here's a link to the article I was reading - it seems to indicate that OOTP2006 should give us the option to remove guys from the 40-man roster once they've cleared waivers. At least that's how I read it.

http://www.all-baseball.com/archives/018944.html

Also, the other post referenced by tysok also suggests that roster rules were correct back in OOTP 6.5 and earlier versions of OOTP2006 - but are now broken.

Thoughts?