Inaugural Drafts for Leagues created after 'game' begins

[cephasjames]

From what I've heard, when a league is created after the "game world" has begun the only way to populate the new league is through the "fill with fictional players" button. If this is the case, why?

When a league is created at the beginning of the "game" it gets an inaugural draft because its a new league and that's what new leagues do. Can we please have inaugural drafts for new leagues that are created after the "world" starts... because that's what new leagues do. And it adds to the realism of a league being created. Thanks.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Can we please have inaugural drafts for new leagues that are created after the "world" starts... because that's what new leagues do. And it adds to the realism of a league being created. Thanks.

I wonder how the function Release All and Draft would work with such a league. Do you think it might be feasible, or do you think this limitation is fixed right now? I can't imagine why that would be disabled in a league added later. I'd read that this was not possible with imported roster sets and was surprised. But a new league? I'd think it should be an option to do just what you're suggesting. It'd be ideal to have the option of a creation step to add the league, but I suspect - if it's possible - it would require an additional step.

[1998 Yankees]

I remember in that other thread in which we talked about this a bit that a beta guy said he would just click the "fill with fictional players" button in this situation. I think he was referring, though, to the need to create new players to stock the new league, which makes sense.

I then said that an inaugural draft would essentially be doing the same thing anyway. I was assuming that there would be one, of course. It's hard to imagine them leaving this feature out, telling you to just "fill with fictional players" and get on with it. Let's see what they say, however.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I remember in that other thread in which we talked about this a bit that a beta guy said he would just click the "fill with fictional players" button in this situation. I think he was referring, though, to the need to create new players to stock the new league, which makes sense.

I then said that an inaugural draft would essentially be doing the same thing anyway. I was assuming that there would be one, of course. It's hard to imagine them leaving this feature out, telling you to just "fill with fictional players" and get on with it. Let's see what they say, however.

Yep. That's why I started a new thread for this.

[endgame]

Hmm....I see where I'm straying from the natural course. With the addition of the Add/Delete League feature, I'd - now that I'm reading more closely - been incorrectly assuming the ability to import an addition already filled with players and add it to the universe. I can see now I probably overextended its capabilities. There I go imagining again.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I remember in that other thread in which we talked about this a bit that a beta guy said he would just click the "fill with fictional players" button in this situation. I think he was referring, though, to the need to create new players to stock the new league, which makes sense.

I then said that an inaugural draft would essentially be doing the same thing anyway. I was assuming that there would be one, of course. It's hard to imagine them leaving this feature out, telling you to just "fill with fictional players" and get on with it. Let's see what they say, however.

Originally Posted by cephasjames

Yep. That's why I started a new thread for this.

Oh, I see. In that case, you probably didn't want to hear from anyone but them. Sorry.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by endgame

Oh, I see. In that case, you probably didn't want to hear from anyone but them. Sorry.

endgame, now you know that's not what I meant.

[1998 Yankees]

As a matter of fact, your "Release All and Draft" option would probably be the workaround if, as I think unlikely, a new league could be populated only by the "fill with fictional players" button and not by inaugural draft. Sorry if you got the wrong impression from my post.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by endgame

Hmm....I see where I'm straying from the natural course. With the addition of the Add/Delete League feature, I'd - now that I'm reading more closely - been incorrectly assuming the ability to import an addition already filled with players and add it to the universe. I can see now I probably overextended its capabilities. There I go imagining again.

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

As a matter of fact, your "Release All and Draft" option would probably be the workaround if, as I think unlikely, a new league could be populated only by the "fill with fictional players" button and not by inaugural draft. Sorry if you got the wrong impression from my post.

No problems on any front. My humor can be too discreet even when utilizing emoticons. In any event, if I can revisit my misconception or misunderstanding of this feature - which obviously we haven't even seen yet, so who knows? - I was under the spell or impression that I could, in effect, under the Add/Delete League option append to my existing league with, perhaps, merging in a heretofore separate league already engaged.

It's one thing to simply treat Add Leagues as an advanced version of the expansion option (which I think qualifies under Cephas' view as an organization in need of players*), but quite another to really add a league either by new creation and draft- in-game or prior -or inclusion of established organizational bodies. While I agree the end result and methods to get us there still require more information, it appears the ideal is always to have available all options. It's simply become clear to me that what I'd originally envisioned in the Add portion of the Add/Delete may have been erroneous.

*If this process was indeed expansion-oriented, as Add League sounds like it might be, would this Inaugural Draft you're suggesting consist solely of newly created players or would it also include the existing Free Agent pool in the league? I'm starting to see a complex of possible uses with the new feature, all dependent on actual definitions and limitations we're still waiting to have addressed.

Edit: I'd be remiss not to offer my own 'campaign' of sorts regarding inaugurals by referencing this link - Post-Inaugural Draft Assignments

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by endgame

No problems on any front. My humor can be too discreet even when utilizing emoticons.

That's cool.

Originally Posted by endgame

It's one thing to simply treat Add Leagues as an advanced version of the expansion option (which I think qualifies under Cephas' view as an organization in need of players*), but quite another to really add a league either by new creation and draft- in-game or prior -or inclusion of established organizational bodies.

The rub, I think, is that unlike an expansion of moderate proportions, as historically expansions have been, adding another league requires the generation of many new fictional players not previously in the game. Also, the addition of a new league normally would not mean cannibalization of the old league(s) except by feeding from a common free agent pool. Therefore expansion and adding a new league need to remain separate.

An inaugural draft for a new league would serve to populate it with the required amount of players, perhaps combining newly generated ones with available free agents, without disturbing existing leagues. If you did not have an inaugural draft, your idea of populating the new league by filling them with new players, releasing them all in the preseason (only from the new league, I think that's a league-specific option) and scheduling a draft would work IMO.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by endgame

Edit: I'd be remiss not to offer my own 'campaign' of sorts regarding inaugurals by referencing this link - Post-Inaugural Draft Assignments

I'm starting to feel funny that I don't have a campaign of my own. Maybe the anti-audiovisual thing.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Also, the addition of a new league normally would not mean cannibalization of the old league(s) except by feeding from a common free agent pool.

My impression is that every time a new MAJOR league was added, it resulted in large numbers of players jumping contracts and allowing themselves to be poached by teams from the new league. This resulted in contract inflation and was usually the reason why, within a couple of years (in the case of the proposed Continental League, before it even got off the ground), an agreement would be reached to either stop poaching (AA, AL) or fold the new league and grant francises in the old league(s) to a few wealthy owners from the new league (Union, Federal, Continental).

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by cephasjames

From what I've heard, when a league is created after the "game world" has begun the only way to populate the new league is through the "fill with fictional players" button. If this is the case, why?

When a league is created at the beginning of the "game" it gets an inaugural draft because its a new league and that's what new leagues do. Can we please have inaugural drafts for new leagues that are created after the "world" starts... because that's what new leagues do. And it adds to the realism of a league being created. Thanks.

If the league is not affiliated with another league, the do get an inaugural draft. Its just if the league is affiliated that it won't.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by jarmenia

If the league is not affiliated with another league, the do get an inaugural draft. Its just if the league is affiliated that it won't.

Thanks. That makes sense. In the inaugural draft, do you know if it's all new players or will current free agents be part of that?

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Thanks. That makes sense. In the inaugural draft, do you know if it's all new players or will current free agents be part of that?

I'm pretty sure its all new players.

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by jarmenia

If the league is not affiliated with another league, the do get an inaugural draft. Its just if the league is affiliated that it won't.

Cool. That's what I was hoping for, but wasn't sure it would happen. My campaign may have ended.

[1998 Yankees]

jarmenia, thanks for the responses.

cephasjames, time to start a new campaign!

[cephasjames]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

jarmenia, thanks for the responses.

cephasjames, time to start a new campaign!

Have no fear, I'll find something to champion.