Linux support? - Page 3

eriqjaffe · 04-01-2008, 11:06 AM

It's an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT, using the "restricted" drivers installed via the restricted devices manager.

jarmenia · 04-01-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

It's an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT, using the "restricted" drivers installed via the restricted devices manager.

Since Hardy hasn't been officially released there's a good chance NVIDIA hasn't released compatible drivers for it yet. Can't you give it a whirl in Gutsy?

eriqjaffe · 04-02-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Since Hardy hasn't been officially released there's a good chance NVIDIA hasn't released compatible drivers for it yet. Can't you give it a whirl in Gutsy?

My laptop runs Gutsy, but OOTP8 would bring it to it's knees (Pentium 2, 366mhz, 128mb RAM). I can always boot into XP (or do my online league stuff on my PC at work) until I get this sorted out.

eriqjaffe · 04-03-2008, 10:28 AM

Hmm...juggling stuff in the WINE registry has no effect (unless I just haven't hit on the magic item yet), neither does running OOTP8 in a "virtual desktop". If I hit on anything, I'll be sure to post about it.

eriqjaffe · 04-05-2008, 12:07 AM

jarmenia, what version of Wine are you using?

jarmenia · 04-05-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

jarmenia, what version of Wine are you using?

0.9.46

jarmenia · 04-05-2008, 12:11 AM

are you still having the graphics problems or have you gotten past that?

Bonedwarf · 04-05-2008, 12:46 AM

Get a real OS

Seriously though, having spent many years using Linux, WINE is a cheap hack at best. Games are NEVER going to run well. And now I realise someone will leap in and try and defend the indefensible, but the fact is if you're a gamer, Linux is really a waste of your time. (And I say that as someone who has used Linux for 9 years.)

In Windows, you put a game on, it works. You spend more time mucking about in Linux than you do actually playing. Not to mention that Beryl/Compiz etc... Their lovely 3D effects make it so you can't do stuff properly without shutting them down first.

In short, it's not worth the effort. I remember getting Championship Manager 01 running under WINE. I played it for a bit, then gave up and went back to Windows. There's just too many niggly little annoyances. I gave up on my attempts to run WOW in Ubuntu. It worked, but if I wanted to do something else, it just went nuts, whereas in Windows, it just worked. (And it's not very often you can use the phrase "it just worked" for Windows.)

eriqjaffe · 04-05-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

are you still having the graphics problems or have you gotten past that?

Yeah, still the graphical problems. I may try the older version and see if it's any better.

edit: Well, that didn't help. I see that WINE is updated from the version in the Hardy repos, so I'll try compiling that over the weekend...

jarmenia · 04-05-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonedwarf

Get a real OS

Seriously though, having spent many years using Linux, WINE is a cheap hack at best. Games are NEVER going to run well. And now I realise someone will leap in and try and defend the indefensible, but the fact is if you're a gamer, Linux is really a waste of your time. (And I say that as someone who has used Linux for 9 years.)

In Windows, you put a game on, it works. You spend more time mucking about in Linux than you do actually playing. Not to mention that Beryl/Compiz etc... Their lovely 3D effects make it so you can't do stuff properly without shutting them down first.

In short, it's not worth the effort. I remember getting Championship Manager 01 running under WINE. I played it for a bit, then gave up and went back to Windows. There's just too many niggly little annoyances. I gave up on my attempts to run WOW in Ubuntu. It worked, but if I wanted to do something else, it just went nuts, whereas in Windows, it just worked. (And it's not very often you can use the phrase "it just worked" for Windows.)

For the most part you are true. I spent almost zero time getting OOTP to run under WINE and have very few problems, and only one that I really care about (facegen doesn't generate pictures but does display them).

That being said, I use Linx for 95% of everything I do durring the day. Why would I want to boot into windows just to play OOTP when I can do that on my linux box.

BTW, the uptime on my Linux box just hit the 125 day mark. Lets see windows do that

eriqjaffe · 04-11-2008, 12:53 AM

So it turns out it was driver-related after all. I used EnvyNG to roll back to the 96.43.05 drivers, and OOTP8 now loads up normally. I have yet to try playing a game, but at least now I can read the menus! Here it is in all its' composited glory behind my transparent terminal!

eriqjaffe · 05-28-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

facegen doesn't generate pictures

I set the FaceGen mode to "troubleshoot 1", and it generates pictures for me.

morningstar8 · 05-28-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

I set the FaceGen mode to "troubleshoot 1", and it generates pictures for me.

Yes!!! That works for me, too; thanks!

eriqjaffe · 05-29-2008, 01:01 AM

Woohoo! Now, if only FTP worked right...

jarmenia · 05-30-2008, 07:58 PM

I updated my drivers and I get faces in troubleshooting mode 2!!!

ditto the now if only FTP worked but at least my fictional world will be complete again.

yoyoma · 06-09-2008, 08:28 PM

Asking because i am curious. Why aren't these games coded for linux right away? is it all the different types, less demand or to difficult. Just curious thanks

eriqjaffe · 06-10-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by yoyoma

Why aren't these games coded for linux right away? less demand

You answered your own question, really.

jarmenia · 06-10-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by yoyoma

Asking because i am curious. Why aren't these games coded for linux right away? is it all the different types, less demand or to difficult. Just curious thanks

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

You answered your own question, really.

Actually it IS coded for Linux. Mac's run on an Apple-ified version of Linux. They are just not built for Linux.

Andreas told me earlier this year he could build OOTP on Linux but the thing holding them back from releasing a Linux port is the lack of copy protection on Linux. I spent a good amount of time during this years beta trying to find adequate copy protection for Linux but to no avail. The whole premise of Linux is diametrically opposed to copy protection so you can see why this is a problem.

yoyoma · 06-10-2008, 08:17 AM

I didn't think of the protection thing. thanks both of you for the answers

The Wolf · 06-10-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

Andreas told me earlier this year he could build OOTP on Linux but the thing holding them back from releasing a Linux port is the lack of copy protection on Linux. I spent a good amount of time during this years beta trying to find adequate copy protection for Linux but to no avail. The whole premise of Linux is diametrically opposed to copy protection so you can see why this is a problem.

Talk about good news and bad news.

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jarmenia Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,276 Thanked 43x in 29 posts	are you still having the graphics problems or have you gotten past that? __________________ When is good enough, good enough?

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Bonedwarf All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,337 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Get a real OS Seriously though, having spent many years using Linux, WINE is a cheap hack at best. Games are NEVER going to run well. And now I realise someone will leap in and try and defend the indefensible, but the fact is if you're a gamer, Linux is really a waste of your time. (And I say that as someone who has used Linux for 9 years.) In Windows, you put a game on, it works. You spend more time mucking about in Linux than you do actually playing. Not to mention that Beryl/Compiz etc... Their lovely 3D effects make it so you can't do stuff properly without shutting them down first. In short, it's not worth the effort. I remember getting Championship Manager 01 running under WINE. I played it for a bit, then gave up and went back to Windows. There's just too many niggly little annoyances. I gave up on my attempts to run WOW in Ubuntu. It worked, but if I wanted to do something else, it just went nuts, whereas in Windows, it just worked. (And it's not very often you can use the phrase "it just worked" for Windows.) Last edited by Bonedwarf; 04-05-2008 at 12:49 AM.

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jarmenia Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,276 Thanked 43x in 29 posts	I updated my drivers and I get faces in troubleshooting mode 2!!! ditto the now if only FTP worked but at least my fictional world will be complete again. __________________ When is good enough, good enough?

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06-09-2008, 08:28 PM	#56 (permalink)
yoyoma Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 92	Asking because i am curious. Why aren't these games coded for linux right away? is it all the different types, less demand or to difficult. Just curious thanks

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yoyoma Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 92	I didn't think of the protection thing. thanks both of you for the answers