Did age restristion for minor lg. disappear?

DCG12 · 04-06-2007, 08:08 PM

I patched the game and was playing when I noticed a guy tearing up double A. I checked his player card and it turns out he's 33. I knew I had age restrictions set up so I went to game set-up and they're gone. The roster size limits are still there but age is gone. The weird thing is the age limit is still available in the major league setup but not in any of the minors.

Can someone verify if they're gone or if this is a problem with my league

NomarHits400 · 04-06-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DCG12

I patched the game and was playing when I noticed a guy tearing up double A. I checked his player card and it turns out he's 33. I knew I had age restrictions set up so I went to game set-up and they're gone. The roster size limits are still there but age is gone. The weird thing is the age limit is still available in the major league setup but not in any of the minors.

Can someone verify if they're gone or if this is a problem with my league

Mine are there- but they don't work- at all.......

NomarHits400 · 04-06-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Mine are there- but they don't work- at all.......

I am incorrect- I just checked again- and they are indeed gone...Hmmm- wonder why?

Markus Heinsohn · 04-07-2007, 05:51 AM

Age restrictions were only intended for feeder leagues or parent leagues and not for minor leagues, they were accidentaly visible for minor leagues in the release version.

DCG12 · 04-07-2007, 07:19 AM

Thanks for clearing that up Markus. Is it something that maybe you would consider for the next version? It would be a way to keep those older players from being in lower minors which is some what unrealistic. Not a game killer but I was excited with the release version when I saw them there and they did appear to be working as a I did not see any players outside the age restiction until after the patch.

endgame · 04-07-2007, 11:18 AM

On the other hand, the way it is addresses the more prominent aspect of the game management. If your managers have assigned a 34 yr old to A-ball, it's probably time to release the guy, unless there are mitigating sympathies for some unknown reason.

*thinking out loud* I wonder if it'd be beneficial, for those who don't want to do any micromanaging, to increase the emphasis of the minor league manager preference for prospects / veterans (youth vs age/experience) so that those heavily favoring youth give up quickly on aging players and bench them. The possibilities for automation here, again for those who want to relinquish that control, seems better rationally tied to the coach's tendencies (and GM's) rather than an arbitrary number - seen or unseen - that mandates a roster decision. FWIW

DCG12 · 04-07-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

On the other hand, the way it is addresses the more prominent aspect of the game management. If your managers have assigned a 34 yr old to A-ball, it's probably time to release the guy, unless there are mitigating sympathies for some unknown reason.

*thinking out loud* I wonder if it'd be beneficial, for those who don't want to do any micromanaging, to increase the emphasis of the minor league manager preference for prospects / veterans (youth vs age/experience) so that those heavily favoring youth give up quickly on aging players and bench them. The possibilities for automation here, again for those who want to relinquish that control, seems better rationally tied to the coach's tendencies (and GM's) rather than an arbitrary number - seen or unseen - that mandates a roster decision. FWIW

The problem is this wasn't my team or I would release him. He played for an AI controlled team. The reason I found him is periodically I check the standings and stats page in all three of the minors that I use.

fantom1979 · 04-07-2007, 01:44 PM

i would love to see this put back in

RamMan12 · 04-07-2007, 02:29 PM

I agree as well. In 06 former stars (35+ with HoF stats) were signed and placed in rookie ball which annoyed me to no end. I thought putting the age limits in was a great idea.

jbmagic · 04-07-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RamMan12

I agree as well. In 06 former stars (35+ with HoF stats) were signed and placed in rookie ball which annoyed me to no end. I thought putting the age limits in was a great idea.

Or it will be nice of the game engine logic fixes that without needing to do the restriction.

silvam14 · 04-07-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Age restrictions were only intended for feeder leagues or parent leagues and not for minor leagues, they were accidentaly visible for minor leagues in the release version.

Hmmm, and I thought they were there specifically to not have 30 somthings in your lower level minor leagues. Oh well, Bummer.

endgame · 04-07-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Age restrictions were only intended for feeder leagues or parent leagues and not for minor leagues, they were accidentaly visible for minor leagues in the release version.

Does that mean they are there in substance, but we're just not supposed to be able to see or utilize them?

Curtis · 04-07-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

I wonder if it'd be beneficial to increase the emphasis of the minor league manager preference for prospects / veterans (youth vs age/experience) so that those heavily favoring youth give up quickly on aging players and bench them.

This is what I do, with the short season leagues at maximum favor prospects and the higher levels somewhat less so.

I LIKE having players extend their careers by playing a couple of years longer in the minors. Those young guys need to associate with veterans; it helps them develop professionalism. I'm always upset when the CPU retires some 28-30 year old who just ripped up short season A.

lighthousekeeper · 04-08-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Age restrictions were only intended for feeder leagues or parent leagues and not for minor leagues, they were accidentaly visible for minor leagues in the release version.

I think this was a smart move, given the fact that age limits in minor leagues had some definite issues. But I would love to see this reintroduced (or better yet - not needed as jbmagic alluded to) in v2008.

The Wolf · 04-08-2007, 09:56 PM

I'd like to have age restrictions available for minor leagues.

Ksyrup · 04-09-2007, 07:57 AM

Another vote for age restrictions for minor leagues. I actually used this to keep a steady flow of unsigned older talent in the FA pool in a historical replay.

The Wolf · 04-09-2007, 08:33 AM

I'd like to vote twice. Bring age restrictions back in a patch, please!

silvam14 · 04-09-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

I'd like to vote twice. Bring age restrictions back in a patch, please!

From my experience before the patch. The age restrictions in the minors didn't work anyway.

Le Grande Orange · 04-09-2007, 03:47 PM

The thing to remember about age restrictions IRL and the minor leagues is that it depends on what year you're looking at. Such restrictions exist nowadays in the real minor leagues, but having career minor leaguers was once a common event in baseball. So the question becomes which version of the minors does OOTP mimic - the current model or the model of earlier years?

Ideally, it'd do both, but I think for that to happen it'll take some considerable overhauling of how minor leagues are handled by the game.

As to when the switchover happened in the real minors, I'm not sure. I've found some info it was in 1962 or so when a new player development plan between the majors and minors was put into place. But I'm still researching this to see if I can dig up more definitive info...

cbbl · 05-11-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

As to when the switchover happened in the real minors, I'm not sure. I've found some info it was in 1962 or so when a new player development plan between the majors and minors was put into place. But I'm still researching this to see if I can dig up more definitive info...

A complete guess, but you're probably close. 1963 was the first year of the "new" classification system, which represented an overhaul of the minor-major relationship.

The concept of a career minor leaguer likely died with the institution of the Player Development Contract between the minor league and parent clubs. This contract (part of the Assocaition agreement) is universal for all minor league clubs and stipulates that players are assigned by the parent club. Obviously, it makes little sense for a parent club to have career minor leaguers -- the minor leagues are not competitive leagues, they are development leagues.

I'd guess, though, that 50 years ago, those leagues, formerly independent, were competitive leagues, and, as such, sought out players who could win championships -- sometimes players who couldn't perform on a higher level.

Nowadays, if you want true competition, stick to the independent leagues.

04-06-2007, 08:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
DCG12 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Traveling through another dimension-not one of only sight and sound,but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundries are those of imagination. Posts: 610 Thanks: 8 Thanked 176x in 88 posts	Did age restristion for minor lg. disappear? I patched the game and was playing when I noticed a guy tearing up double A. I checked his player card and it turns out he's 33. I knew I had age restrictions set up so I went to game set-up and they're gone. The roster size limits are still there but age is gone. The weird thing is the age limit is still available in the major league setup but not in any of the minors. Can someone verify if they're gone or if this is a problem with my league

04-07-2007, 11:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,771 Thanks: 893 Thanked 756x in 429 posts	On the other hand, the way it is addresses the more prominent aspect of the game management. If your managers have assigned a 34 yr old to A-ball, it's probably time to release the guy, unless there are mitigating sympathies for some unknown reason. thinking out loud I wonder if it'd be beneficial, for those who don't want to do any micromanaging, to increase the emphasis of the minor league manager preference for prospects / veterans (youth vs age/experience) so that those heavily favoring youth give up quickly on aging players and bench them. The possibilities for automation here, again for those who want to relinquish that control, seems better rationally tied to the coach's tendencies (and GM's) rather than an arbitrary number - seen or unseen - that mandates a roster decision. FWIW __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

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Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scheduleslovakia Posts: 10,231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 1,177x in 700 posts	The thing to remember about age restrictions IRL and the minor leagues is that it depends on what year you're looking at. Such restrictions exist nowadays in the real minor leagues, but having career minor leaguers was once a common event in baseball. So the question becomes which version of the minors does OOTP mimic - the current model or the model of earlier years? Ideally, it'd do both, but I think for that to happen it'll take some considerable overhauling of how minor leagues are handled by the game. As to when the switchover happened in the real minors, I'm not sure. I've found some info it was in 1962 or so when a new player development plan between the majors and minors was put into place. But I'm still researching this to see if I can dig up more definitive info... __________________ . "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our abilities and skills, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win." .

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04-07-2007, 05:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 14,003 Thanks: 606 Thanked 7,113x in 1,336 posts	Age restrictions were only intended for feeder leagues or parent leagues and not for minor leagues, they were accidentaly visible for minor leagues in the release version.

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DCG12 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Traveling through another dimension-not one of only sight and sound,but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundries are those of imagination. Posts: 610 Thanks: 8 Thanked 176x in 88 posts	Thanks for clearing that up Markus. Is it something that maybe you would consider for the next version? It would be a way to keep those older players from being in lower minors which is some what unrealistic. Not a game killer but I was excited with the release version when I saw them there and they did appear to be working as a I did not see any players outside the age restiction until after the patch.

04-07-2007, 02:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
RamMan12 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 311 Thanks: 64 Thanked 42x in 32 posts	I agree as well. In 06 former stars (35+ with HoF stats) were signed and placed in rookie ball which annoyed me to no end. I thought putting the age limits in was a great idea.

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Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Another vote for age restrictions for minor leagues. I actually used this to keep a steady flow of unsigned older talent in the FA pool in a historical replay.