Catcher Throwing Arms: Ratings/Opinions Needed - Page 2

Eugene Church · 10-01-2003, 05:23 PM

I'm way late in posting this...but I just got too involved in OOTP5 and forgot to post the results.

In OOTP4 (latest version when this was originally posted) the number of passed balls were 4-5 times the rating in the game...a 1 rating = 4 PB's per 162 games...4 rating = 16 per 162 games.
I used the scale: Excellent Catcher = 0 rating...Good =1...Average= 2...Fair=3...and Poor=4.

This scale worked well with OOTP4.

Marcus fixed this in OOTP5.

The new rating system is much better, but not perfect.

I will use this scale in my next league:

Excellent = 0-3 PB rating
Good.......= 4-8 PB rating
Average..= 9-12 rating
Fair.........= 13-16 rating
Poor.......=16-20 rating

I will post the results in a few weeks.

blackrussian · 10-02-2003, 01:14 PM

ive noticed that historical leagues using the lahman db for players import most, if not all catchers, with a C arm. eg, i imported the '73 season, '79 season and one from the 80's.

if i remember right, all of the catchers in the three imports had C arms. i had to go in and change them myself. i used some of the sources cited in this thread. you may also want to look at some of the earlier B. James Baseball Abstracts. For several years (early-mid 80's), he had a great breakdown of SB's by opponents vs. catchers. i use that a lot for modern players, esp. some of the lesser known talents.

if you like, i can post those numbers later here tonight, once i get home from work.

v'

Eugene Church · 10-02-2003, 03:45 PM

It would be good to know the arm strength of catchers, especially if it's based on facts and not random like the Lahman...which is still a great source and help for OOTPB fans.

Fielding range and arm strength is really difficult to find.

Cowboys3356 · 10-02-2003, 04:43 PM

I use the Antik DBase and it seems from time to time that the catchers actually import in with arm ratings other than C. With Lahman's Database it is always C.

blackrussian · 10-03-2003, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cowboys3356
I use the Antik DBase and it seems from time to time that the catchers actually import in with arm ratings other than C. With Lahman's Database it is always C.

is that because of how it imports, or something in the db itself?

v'

Big Train · 10-04-2003, 02:39 AM

I find for old catchers, looking them up on baseball library when I'm editing them as rookies gives me a good idea of who has a really good arm.

blackrussian · 10-04-2003, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Big Train
I find for old catchers, looking them up on baseball library when I'm editing them as rookies gives me a good idea of who has a really good arm.

do you mean biographical info? thats what i do for the earlier years, historical baseball abstract is always good, any other narrative account works well really.

if you dont do that, players like ray schalk really lose much of their value and usefulness, as defense is their strength; otherwise he's just an average hitter.

v'

10-01-2003, 05:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,080 Thanks: 100 Thanked 100x in 52 posts	I'm way late in posting this...but I just got too involved in OOTP5 and forgot to post the results. In OOTP4 (latest version when this was originally posted) the number of passed balls were 4-5 times the rating in the game...a 1 rating = 4 PB's per 162 games...4 rating = 16 per 162 games. I used the scale: Excellent Catcher = 0 rating...Good =1...Average= 2...Fair=3...and Poor=4. This scale worked well with OOTP4. Marcus fixed this in OOTP5. The new rating system is much better, but not perfect. I will use this scale in my next league: Excellent = 0-3 PB rating Good.......= 4-8 PB rating Average..= 9-12 rating Fair.........= 13-16 rating Poor.......=16-20 rating I will post the results in a few weeks. Last edited by Eugene Church; 10-01-2003 at 05:25 PM.

10-02-2003, 01:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
blackrussian All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 870 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	ive noticed that historical leagues using the lahman db for players import most, if not all catchers, with a C arm. eg, i imported the '73 season, '79 season and one from the 80's. if i remember right, all of the catchers in the three imports had C arms. i had to go in and change them myself. i used some of the sources cited in this thread. you may also want to look at some of the earlier B. James Baseball Abstracts. For several years (early-mid 80's), he had a great breakdown of SB's by opponents vs. catchers. i use that a lot for modern players, esp. some of the lesser known talents. if you like, i can post those numbers later here tonight, once i get home from work. v' __________________ v'

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10-02-2003, 03:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,080 Thanks: 100 Thanked 100x in 52 posts	It would be good to know the arm strength of catchers, especially if it's based on facts and not random like the Lahman...which is still a great source and help for OOTPB fans. Fielding range and arm strength is really difficult to find.

10-02-2003, 04:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,382 Thanks: 8 Thanked 5x in 5 posts	I use the Antik DBase and it seems from time to time that the catchers actually import in with arm ratings other than C. With Lahman's Database it is always C.

10-04-2003, 02:39 AM	#26 (permalink)
Big Train Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 317 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I find for old catchers, looking them up on baseball library when I'm editing them as rookies gives me a good idea of who has a really good arm.