There is some kind of fatal bug...

Charley575 · 12-14-2007, 12:24 PM

Just wondering if anyone else is encountering this one. During save, the program reaches 89% Saving Faces, then you get the Windows Window of Death the says "OOTP8/OOTP2007 has encountered a problem and needs to close. So sorry hahahahaha."

It doesn't happen every time, but it's happening to me often enough to be very irritating. It's happened on both 2007 and OOTP8 with the latest patches and across multiple universes.

Charley575 · 12-14-2007, 12:31 PM

As a continuation to this...
When I go to reload the league after the crash it is obviously now corrupted because it gets to 93% Loading Faces and freezes. Windows Task Manager shows CPU usage at 100% and I am forced to forcibly end the program.

koohead · 12-14-2007, 01:13 PM

not exactly the same, but my save always hangs for a long time at 73% saving messages. eventually it finishes, but it honestly takes 15 minutes for me to exit the game whereas before OOTP8 it was about 2

Stu · 12-14-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charley575

As a continuation to this...
When I go to reload the league after the crash it is obviously now corrupted because it gets to 93% Loading Faces and freezes. Windows Task Manager shows CPU usage at 100% and I am forced to forcibly end the program.

I had this problem awhile ago. IIRC, deleting faces.dat from the leaguename.lg folder fixed the issue. Make sure to back up the file before you do so though.

Charley575 · 12-14-2007, 01:37 PM

Thanks. I'll try that.

falkonisback · 12-14-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by koohead

not exactly the same, but my save always hangs for a long time at 73% saving messages. eventually it finishes, but it honestly takes 15 minutes for me to exit the game whereas before OOTP8 it was about 2

Well I borrowed my sister's laptop to bring with me out of town and it has vista on it. OOTP 2007 does the exact same thing to me. I've read about it some in the forums and it has something to do with Vista b/c I never had that problem using XP at home. I will not be upgrading to OOTP 8 until I return home on Sunday, so I'll be back using XP.

I'd be willing to bet that you are probably running vista because I have never heard of this problem on XP. When exiting or saving, it freezes up for a long time at 73% while it is saving the messages...same exact thing for me on Vista.

koohead · 12-14-2007, 06:10 PM

Interesting...but no I'm still on XP. Was on 2007 as well. only thing that changed that I can see is 2007 to OOTP8.

The Wolf · 12-14-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Charley575

"OOTP8/OOTP2007 has encountered a problem and needs to close. So sorry hahahahaha."

It shuts down and laughs at you, too? Man that sucks worse than Vista does.

lencombs · 12-14-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

It shuts down and laughs at you, too? Man that sucks worse than Vista does.

no... quote...Interesting...but no I'm still on XP. Was on 2007 as well. only thing that changed that I can see is 2007 to OOTP8. unquote..

can't blame this one on Vista Wolf. World hunger and global warming can all be attributed to Vista, but not this bug. He specified he is running XP.

Wiggle your way out of this mouse-trap.

David Watts · 12-14-2007, 11:20 PM

I wonder if the 73% delay has something to do with virus protection software. I have always experienced the long delay at 73% and just thought everyone else did too. I save after each week and tonight my long delay disappeared. I then noticed that my virus protection was disabled. I turned it back on and the delay is back. Anyone else have this happen?

The Wolf · 12-15-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lencombs

no... quote...Interesting...but no I'm still on XP. Was on 2007 as well. only thing that changed that I can see is 2007 to OOTP8. unquote..

can't blame this one on Vista Wolf. World hunger and global warming can all be attributed to Vista, but not this bug. He specified he is running XP.

Wiggle your way out of this mouse-trap.

He must be using BootCamp and running it on a Mac!

Or maybe he's running it under VMWare!

And you only blame world hunger and global warming on Vista? How about the high price of oil?

-A happy XP SP2 user

The Wolf · 12-15-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I wonder if the 73% delay has something to do with virus protection software. I have always experienced the long delay at 73% and just thought everyone else did too. I save after each week and tonight my long delay disappeared. I then noticed that my virus protection was disabled. I turned it back on and the delay is back. Anyone else have this happen?

No, but that's a really, really good guess. I use a really non-intrusive anti-virus, but I can see some of the big names in AV causing that to happen.

targy · 12-15-2007, 10:43 AM

I found that the crash only happens when I use Face Gen..I started a fictional league with Face Gen disables and there was not one crash in 10 years of simming...

I would get a game crash when shutting down and when I wne to reload the game froze at 93% when using Face Gen...

The crash did not happen everytime I shut the game down but was very intermittent. Could it have something to do with Video Card compatibility with OOTP.

This problem has kept me form using Face Gen with a fictional league. I went back to Historic league with real player pics

Bonedwarf · 12-15-2007, 02:03 PM

I run no anti-virus at all. Running one all the time just causes too many issues. I have one, and when I get something I'm dubious about I just scan the directory with Clamwin and A-Squared.

I have never had a virus scanner running in the background, and have never gotten a virus.

Corsairs · 12-15-2007, 02:45 PM

Thought I'd point the original poster to this thread that deals with exactly the problem he's having. There's some kind of recurring problem that causes faces.dat to become corrupted. After a year or two of simming the game will crash at the point where it tries to save faces.dat. Renaming/deleting the file is only a temporary fix; the newly generated faces.dat will itself become corrupted shortly.

Andreas is looking over my league files to see if he can determine the source of the problem. Until something is discovered, the best "fix" (other than disabling FaceGen) is to make constant backups of faces.dat and copy the backup over the corrupted version whenever the game crashes on your during a save. It's hideously inconvenient and you'll still lose some of your picture associations... hopefully there'll be a permanent fix coming soon.

1998 Yankees · 12-15-2007, 03:08 PM

Good link, Corsairs. You probably saved Charley575 and targy some angst, at least.

Charley575 · 12-15-2007, 05:30 PM

Interesting read and thank you. Ok. I guess we wait for Andreas. I wonder if all leagues are doomed to crash after 2 years or so with FaceGen, and if so, why aren't more people screaming about it?

Corsairs · 12-16-2007, 02:20 AM

I don't think it's common issue exactly, but there are enough old posts about the issue to to categorize it as a legitimate problem. I'm hopeful that it'll be a beaten problem in the near future.

12-14-2007, 12:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Charley575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 269 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 4 posts	There is some kind of fatal bug... Just wondering if anyone else is encountering this one. During save, the program reaches 89% Saving Faces, then you get the Windows Window of Death the says "OOTP8/OOTP2007 has encountered a problem and needs to close. So sorry hahahahaha." It doesn't happen every time, but it's happening to me often enough to be very irritating. It's happened on both 2007 and OOTP8 with the latest patches and across multiple universes.

12-14-2007, 12:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Charley575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 269 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 4 posts	As a continuation to this... When I go to reload the league after the crash it is obviously now corrupted because it gets to 93% Loading Faces and freezes. Windows Task Manager shows CPU usage at 100% and I am forced to forcibly end the program. Last edited by Charley575; 12-14-2007 at 12:41 PM.

12-14-2007, 01:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
koohead All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Litchfield Park, AZ Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 58 Thanked 30x in 19 posts	not exactly the same, but my save always hangs for a long time at 73% saving messages. eventually it finishes, but it honestly takes 15 minutes for me to exit the game whereas before OOTP8 it was about 2 __________________ Mass Select feature in OOTP11! woot! GM - NC Clippers of the NPBL; 2001,2004,2007 FF Central Division Champs; 2001, 2004, 2007,2038 FFL Champions; 2004,2038 NPBL Champions

12-14-2007, 06:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
koohead All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Litchfield Park, AZ Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 58 Thanked 30x in 19 posts	Interesting...but no I'm still on XP. Was on 2007 as well. only thing that changed that I can see is 2007 to OOTP8. __________________ Mass Select feature in OOTP11! woot! GM - NC Clippers of the NPBL; 2001,2004,2007 FF Central Division Champs; 2001, 2004, 2007,2038 FFL Champions; 2004,2038 NPBL Champions

12-15-2007, 10:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
targy All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	I found that the crash only happens when I use Face Gen..I started a fictional league with Face Gen disables and there was not one crash in 10 years of simming... I would get a game crash when shutting down and when I wne to reload the game froze at 93% when using Face Gen... The crash did not happen everytime I shut the game down but was very intermittent. Could it have something to do with Video Card compatibility with OOTP. This problem has kept me form using Face Gen with a fictional league. I went back to Historic league with real player pics __________________ www.emerge180.com

12-14-2007, 01:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Charley575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 269 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 4 posts	Thanks. I'll try that.

12-14-2007, 11:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
David Watts All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 924 Thanks: 412 Thanked 210x in 124 posts Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I wonder if the 73% delay has something to do with virus protection software. I have always experienced the long delay at 73% and just thought everyone else did too. I save after each week and tonight my long delay disappeared. I then noticed that my virus protection was disabled. I turned it back on and the delay is back. Anyone else have this happen?

12-15-2007, 02:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
Bonedwarf All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I run no anti-virus at all. Running one all the time just causes too many issues. I have one, and when I get something I'm dubious about I just scan the directory with Clamwin and A-Squared. I have never had a virus scanner running in the background, and have never gotten a virus.

12-15-2007, 02:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,062 Thanks: 906 Thanked 445x in 243 posts	Thought I'd point the original poster to this thread that deals with exactly the problem he's having. There's some kind of recurring problem that causes faces.dat to become corrupted. After a year or two of simming the game will crash at the point where it tries to save faces.dat. Renaming/deleting the file is only a temporary fix; the newly generated faces.dat will itself become corrupted shortly. Andreas is looking over my league files to see if he can determine the source of the problem. Until something is discovered, the best "fix" (other than disabling FaceGen) is to make constant backups of faces.dat and copy the backup over the corrupted version whenever the game crashes on your during a save. It's hideously inconvenient and you'll still lose some of your picture associations... hopefully there'll be a permanent fix coming soon.

12-15-2007, 03:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,364 Thanks: 442 Thanked 651x in 435 posts	Good link, Corsairs. You probably saved Charley575 and targy some angst, at least. __________________ The 1998 New York Yankees

12-15-2007, 05:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Charley575 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 269 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 4 posts	Interesting read and thank you. Ok. I guess we wait for Andreas. I wonder if all leagues are doomed to crash after 2 years or so with FaceGen, and if so, why aren't more people screaming about it?

12-16-2007, 02:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,062 Thanks: 906 Thanked 445x in 243 posts	I don't think it's common issue exactly, but there are enough old posts about the issue to to categorize it as a legitimate problem. I'm hopeful that it'll be a beaten problem in the near future.

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