Incomplete early release vs. complete late release

ctorg · 05-05-2008, 11:54 AM

What would satisfy you more:

1 - Having OOTP9 come out sooner rather than later, even if it has some bugs. They can be dealt with in a patch.

2 - Not having OOTP9 come out until it has been very thoroughly tested and no bugs have been found.

Naturally, with number 2, I'm sure we'd find little ones here or there, but the difference would be that option 1 would basically be like a public beta.

I'm just curious about this, because I feel like every year there are some people who complain that the release date is too late and others who complain that there are too many bugs when the game is released. It seems to me that there is some sort of trade-off.

ifspuds · 05-05-2008, 11:58 AM

Frankly, I'm enjoying OOTP 8 enough and I haven't seen enough WOW features on the OOTP 9 list to make me all rabid to get the new version. I'd rather see it relatively complete and mostly non-buggy.

Base Stealer · 05-05-2008, 11:59 AM

Late, non buggy. No doubt about that!!!

BusterKing · 05-05-2008, 12:01 PM

I don't think this poll will change Markus mind about when to release it.

Only he will decide.

theasfl · 05-05-2008, 12:19 PM

Monkey Rodeo.

The Wolf · 05-05-2008, 12:41 PM

Every new release is buggy, so what's the difference?

DiMaggio5CF · 05-05-2008, 01:45 PM

Is it really too much to ask for a game that works and is released when it is supposed to be released?????

chimanbj · 05-05-2008, 01:47 PM

Don't we have this poll with EVERY release? It seems that way. I'm glad that we won't have to micromanage our scouts, that players can get ejected and suspended (remember, the team will have to play short while they're on suspension, and don't forget the appeal process!), and that the scouting reports are more verbose.

Erik W. · 05-05-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

Is it really too much to ask for a game that works and is released when it is supposed to be released?????

Since there has never been a stated release date other than "when it's ready," it's safe to say that it's going to be released exactly when it's supposed to be.

MidnightPyro · 05-05-2008, 01:51 PM

I feel kind of bad now that I voted for the early/buggy thing. I think I'd prefer an earlier release under 2 conditions...
1) That there weren't any bugs involving player development, or anything that would require a league restart to fix...
2) That the bugs would be fixed eventually too.

2 big if's, of course. I'm rather impatient and excited though.

SittingDuck · 05-05-2008, 01:53 PM

Define: COMPLETE

Raidergoo · 05-05-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SittingDuck

Define: COMPLETE

When good enough is good enough.

jarmenia · 05-05-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

When good enough is good enough.

But how do you know when good enough is good enough?

SSG Troyer · 05-05-2008, 02:12 PM

Pointless thread. No matter when it is released, there will be bugs.

Also, no matter when it's released, it will be fun.

Long_Long_Name · 05-05-2008, 02:16 PM

In absolutes, Option #1 is the only one that can please everybody. If you don't want to play until it's been patched (and is therefore "ready"), it's your prerogative.

However, some people will bitch if the developers claim that Option #1 is supposed to be perfect.

Cooleyvol · 05-05-2008, 02:26 PM

Why do we have these polls each time a new version is coming out? Jeez, this gets old.

Go Tribe · 05-05-2008, 02:32 PM

unfair to all of the previous releases of ootp that you've decided to omit choice #3 "Late AND Buggy". it's been the formula from the get go and frankly it seems to work!

eborix · 05-05-2008, 03:03 PM

I would much prefer option 2, but no matter how long its worked on, there will be bugs when its released.
I have not been complaining about the release date, and I have preordered. I will say that all the arguments stating that we should wait so it can be released with no bugs are unrealistic.
The only real comment I have about the release of a baseball game is that it really should be in April, any later and I start to lose the excitement I feel at the start of the season.

The Wolf · 05-05-2008, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

Is it really too much to ask for a game that works and is released when it is supposed to be released?????

That stopped happening in computer gaming back in the nineties.

kq76 · 05-05-2008, 04:50 PM

The earlier it is released, the more bugs the masses will find and the sooner Markus can fix them. But of course the more bugs it is released with the less likely it is to get good press.

It could be released next spring training for all I care though as I haven't pre-ordered yet. Maybe if there was something more in the feature list I'd be more chomping at the bit.

View Poll Results: Which would you prefer (see post)
Option 1 (early/buggy)	13	9.92%
Option 2 (late/non-buggy)	118	90.08%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

05-05-2008, 11:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanks: 38 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	Incomplete early release vs. complete late release What would satisfy you more: 1 - Having OOTP9 come out sooner rather than later, even if it has some bugs. They can be dealt with in a patch. 2 - Not having OOTP9 come out until it has been very thoroughly tested and no bugs have been found. Naturally, with number 2, I'm sure we'd find little ones here or there, but the difference would be that option 1 would basically be like a public beta. I'm just curious about this, because I feel like every year there are some people who complain that the release date is too late and others who complain that there are too many bugs when the game is released. It seems to me that there is some sort of trade-off. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

05-05-2008, 11:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	Frankly, I'm enjoying OOTP 8 enough and I haven't seen enough WOW features on the OOTP 9 list to make me all rabid to get the new version. I'd rather see it relatively complete and mostly non-buggy. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

05-05-2008, 11:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Base Stealer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 120 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4x in 4 posts	Late, non buggy. No doubt about that!!! __________________ Endure. In endurance grow strong.

05-05-2008, 12:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
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05-05-2008, 12:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
BusterKing All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,101 Thanks: 193 Thanked 300x in 156 posts	I don't think this poll will change Markus mind about when to release it. Only he will decide.

05-05-2008, 01:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 879 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Is it really too much to ask for a game that works and is released when it is supposed to be released?????

05-05-2008, 01:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
chimanbj All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 758 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Don't we have this poll with EVERY release? It seems that way. I'm glad that we won't have to micromanage our scouts, that players can get ejected and suspended (remember, the team will have to play short while they're on suspension, and don't forget the appeal process!), and that the scouting reports are more verbose. __________________ People ask if I'm a Cubs or White Sox fan...I tell them, proudly, I'm a Phillies Phan!

05-05-2008, 01:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
MidnightPyro Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I feel kind of bad now that I voted for the early/buggy thing. I think I'd prefer an earlier release under 2 conditions... 1) That there weren't any bugs involving player development, or anything that would require a league restart to fix... 2) That the bugs would be fixed eventually too. 2 big if's, of course. I'm rather impatient and excited though. __________________

05-05-2008, 01:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,834 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Define: COMPLETE

05-05-2008, 02:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,593 Thanks: 28 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Pointless thread. No matter when it is released, there will be bugs. Also, no matter when it's released, it will be fun. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

05-05-2008, 02:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,048 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	In absolutes, Option #1 is the only one that can please everybody. If you don't want to play until it's been patched (and is therefore "ready"), it's your prerogative. However, some people will bitch if the developers claim that Option #1 is supposed to be perfect. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

05-05-2008, 02:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Woodland Mills, TN Posts: 5,993 Thanks: 57 Thanked 506x in 304 posts	Why do we have these polls each time a new version is coming out? Jeez, this gets old. __________________

05-05-2008, 02:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,459 Thanks: 10 Thanked 36x in 15 posts Infractions: 1/0 (0)	unfair to all of the previous releases of ootp that you've decided to omit choice #3 "Late AND Buggy". it's been the formula from the get go and frankly it seems to work!

05-05-2008, 03:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
eborix Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 205 Thanks: 45 Thanked 10x in 7 posts	I would much prefer option 2, but no matter how long its worked on, there will be bugs when its released. I have not been complaining about the release date, and I have preordered. I will say that all the arguments stating that we should wait so it can be released with no bugs are unrealistic. The only real comment I have about the release of a baseball game is that it really should be in April, any later and I start to lose the excitement I feel at the start of the season.

05-05-2008, 04:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 7,623 Thanks: 282 Thanked 332x in 190 posts	The earlier it is released, the more bugs the masses will find and the sooner Markus can fix them. But of course the more bugs it is released with the less likely it is to get good press. It could be released next spring training for all I care though as I haven't pre-ordered yet. Maybe if there was something more in the feature list I'd be more chomping at the bit. __________________ Useful Links: Manuals \| Downloads \| Newsletters \| Knowledge Base \| New Tech Support \| Updated Forum Rules Interactive Online League Directory - find or advertise a league today! Canadian Baseball League - uses OOTP11, running steadily since April 2002

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