Retroactive DL?

phenom · 05-15-2008, 12:56 PM

Any chance there'll be a retroactive DL in OOTP 9?

PSUColonel · 05-15-2008, 02:10 PM

I seriously doubt it

tripli00 · 05-15-2008, 02:14 PM

Pity would be great - the number of times I have had day-to-day multiples in one position and wanted to do this!!

Nez477 · 05-15-2008, 02:48 PM

I agree that this would be nice, but I think they'd need to reinvent injuries just a tad for it.

The reason there are retroactive injuries (most of the time anyway) is that a team doesn't know how serious an injury is right away and takes a couple days to diagnose. Or maybe they hope for a week that the player heals but then finds that he'll need additional time off.

This never happens in OOTP as we know the next day the extent of an injury like 99% of the time (maybe 100%?) Day-to-day seriously means day-to-day and to wait to decide to put him on the DL is silly because he will get better sooner rather than later.

So in general, would be a cool concept, but I think the whole system would need to be tweaked just a little.

bababui · 05-15-2008, 02:53 PM

Since the 15 and 60 day DL's are strictly an MLB invention; and since OOTP isnt exactly an MLB sim; it might be nice to have a more flexible DL option that a player can be on till he/she/it recovers from their injury. Any thoughts?

conception · 05-15-2008, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bababui

Since the 15 and 60 day DL's are strictly an MLB invention; and since OOTP isnt exactly an MLB sim; it might be nice to have a more flexible DL option that a player can be on till he/she/it recovers from their injury. Any thoughts?

I think you are onto something. Since the length of things like waivers and DFA is customizable, it would be nice to be able to customize the length of the DL-lists. Maybe something like ten day DL and thirty day DL.

phenom · 05-15-2008, 03:49 PM

I don't care about the "maybe-he's-injured-but-maybe-not-so-let's-sit-him-and-see" retroactive DL uses.

In an online league, however, this would be awesome. Nothing much sucks worse than a 2-3 week injury that occurs on Monday of a 7-day sim. You can't DL the guy until the sim's over, so you've lost like five days.

Granted, this is based on leagues simming 7-days at a time, but it's a realistic concern for online players.

Nez477 · 05-15-2008, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phenom

I don't care about the "maybe-he's-injured-but-maybe-not-so-let's-sit-him-and-see" retroactive DL uses.

In an online league, however, this would be awesome. Nothing much sucks worse than a 2-3 week injury that occurs on Monday of a 7-day sim. You can't DL the guy until the sim's over, so you've lost like five days.

Granted, this is based on leagues simming 7-days at a time, but it's a realistic concern for online players.

Ah

I'm a total new dude when it comes to the game and haven't ventured to online yet.

This makes the sense.

chimanbj · 05-15-2008, 04:12 PM

If you're in Commissioner mode, you can fake the retroactive thing by putting the player on the DL, and then editing the number of days left on the DL.
You can also use the DFA list as a place to put the injured player for 1 week injuries (you typically have 10 days on DFA)

Le Grande Orange · 05-15-2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bababui

Since the 15 and 60 day DL's are strictly an MLB invention...

But only since 1990. Before then, the DL rules were different, involving different lengths of time and limitations on the number of players which could be on the DL at any given time (and, before 1941, no DL at all).

See this web page for more.

dankrzyz · 05-15-2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conception

I think you are onto something. Since the length of things like waivers and DFA is customizable, it would be nice to be able to customize the length of the DL-lists. Maybe something like ten day DL and thirty day DL.

This would be a helpful tool for online leagues, who sometimes sim 7-days-a-sim. A 15-day DL stay is actually 21 days (3 sims).

kcroyalgm · 05-15-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dankrzyz

This would be a helpful tool for online leagues, who sometimes sim 7-days-a-sim. A 15-day DL stay is actually 21 days (3 sims).

A relatively good solution to this for on-line leagues is alternating sims to be 7-dyas and then 8-days. Solves the problem.

gord · 05-16-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimanbj

If you're in Commissioner mode, you can fake the retroactive thing by putting the player on the DL, and then editing the number of days left on the DL.
You can also use the DFA list as a place to put the injured player for 1 week injuries (you typically have 10 days on DFA)

I do this as well. Takes a few extra clicks, but serves the same purpose.

Powderguy · 05-17-2008, 09:54 PM

I really like the suggestion of this idea too. Also, I agree that it would be good for those online leagues as well.

Cryomaniac · 05-18-2008, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimanbj

You can also use the DFA list as a place to put the injured player for 1 week injuries (you typically have 10 days on DFA)

I'd like to see what the union would say if someone did that in real life.

cbbl · 05-18-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phenom

I don't care about the "maybe-he's-injured-but-maybe-not-so-let's-sit-him-and-see" retroactive DL uses.

In an online league, however, this would be awesome. Nothing much sucks worse than a 2-3 week injury that occurs on Monday of a 7-day sim. You can't DL the guy until the sim's over, so you've lost like five days.

Granted, this is based on leagues simming 7-days at a time, but it's a realistic concern for online players.

Injury and DL time is editable, so why not etasblish a league rule that allows manipulation of the time left on the DL under this scenario?

phenom · 05-18-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbbl

Injury and DL time is editable, so why not etasblish a league rule that allows manipulation of the time left on the DL under this scenario?

Or... why not suggest a retroactive DL?

ctorg · 05-19-2008, 09:11 AM

In combination with the retroactive DL, it would be cool to see injuries of undetermined length. Sometimes it takes a few days to find out exactly what's wrong with a guy. The game used to have injuries that would extend, but apparently people didn't like that and it was removed. I thought it was much more realistic, even if it was frustrating when my supposedly three-week-injured superstar ended up out for months instead.

Cryomaniac · 05-19-2008, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

In combination with the retroactive DL, it would be cool to see injuries of undetermined length. Sometimes it takes a few days to find out exactly what's wrong with a guy. The game used to have injuries that would extend, but apparently people didn't like that and it was removed. I thought it was much more realistic, even if it was frustrating when my supposedly three-week-injured superstar ended up out for months instead.

I agree with this.

Bishop · 05-19-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctorg

In combination with the retroactive DL, it would be cool to see injuries of undetermined length. Sometimes it takes a few days to find out exactly what's wrong with a guy. The game used to have injuries that would extend, but apparently people didn't like that and it was removed. I thought it was much more realistic, even if it was frustrating when my supposedly three-week-injured superstar ended up out for months instead.

I didn't realize this had been taken out. That was a good feature. Well, not when it happened to me, but in general.

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phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,302 Thanks: 9 Thanked 110x in 57 posts	I don't care about the "maybe-he's-injured-but-maybe-not-so-let's-sit-him-and-see" retroactive DL uses. In an online league, however, this would be awesome. Nothing much sucks worse than a 2-3 week injury that occurs on Monday of a 7-day sim. You can't DL the guy until the sim's over, so you've lost like five days. Granted, this is based on leagues simming 7-days at a time, but it's a realistic concern for online players. __________________ reported

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Nez477 Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I agree that this would be nice, but I think they'd need to reinvent injuries just a tad for it. The reason there are retroactive injuries (most of the time anyway) is that a team doesn't know how serious an injury is right away and takes a couple days to diagnose. Or maybe they hope for a week that the player heals but then finds that he'll need additional time off. This never happens in OOTP as we know the next day the extent of an injury like 99% of the time (maybe 100%?) Day-to-day seriously means day-to-day and to wait to decide to put him on the DL is silly because he will get better sooner rather than later. So in general, would be a cool concept, but I think the whole system would need to be tweaked just a little.

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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanks: 38 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	In combination with the retroactive DL, it would be cool to see injuries of undetermined length. Sometimes it takes a few days to find out exactly what's wrong with a guy. The game used to have injuries that would extend, but apparently people didn't like that and it was removed. I thought it was much more realistic, even if it was frustrating when my supposedly three-week-injured superstar ended up out for months instead. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

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