SP endurance...

[Lintyfresh]

I've got a RP that's a 5 endurance from my top scout in a league I play in... only 22 years old... great K/BB: 27/9, and has an ERA under 2. Currently I've got him slotted in the bullpen, but would love to give him a shot at starting. My other 4 scouts are mixed. 2 with 5's and 2 with 4's.

This league is running on an 8 scale. I assume he's a 4.5 in endurance... is that enough to make an effective SP or does he have to be at least a 5 to actually become a solid SP? Just trying to figure out if I need to move the guy to CL, or is a 4.5 in endurance enough to let him average over 6 innings a start?

Btw... his SISA rating gives him a 5 endurance... but of course that could be wildly inaccurate.

I've always heard 5 was the magic number when it came to endurance for SP's... but I'm hoping 4.5 might count as well.

[Markus Heinsohn]

I suggest trying it out for a couple of starts...

[MidnightPyro]

Originally Posted by Lintyfresh

I've got a RP that's a 5 endurance from my top scout in a league I play in... only 22 years old... great K/BB: 27/9, and has an ERA under 2. Currently I've got him slotted in the bullpen, but would love to give him a shot at starting. My other 4 scouts are mixed. 2 with 5's and 2 with 4's.

This league is running on an 8 scale. I assume he's a 4.5 in endurance... is that enough to make an effective SP or does he have to be at least a 5 to actually become a solid SP? Just trying to figure out if I need to move the guy to CL, or is a 4.5 in endurance enough to let him average over 6 innings a start?

Btw... his SISA rating gives him a 5 endurance... but of course that could be wildly inaccurate.

I've always heard 5 was the magic number when it came to endurance for SP's... but I'm hoping 4.5 might count as well.

The other problem I have (that you might want to look at based on your league setup) is guys with lower endurance getting angry if they're in the starting rotation. For example, I have a guy with 11/20 endurance. He probably doesn't have the endurance to be an awesome starting pitcher, but still, his 'Preffered Role' is bullpen, and if he seemingly is put in the starting rotation, he becomes unhappy. I guess it's just a tossup whether a guy with a lower endurance would be more beneficial as a starter, relief pitcher, or maybe some sort of spot starter.

[ms2002]

I read that the endurance system has been revamped. Can we get some details on that before release? I'm not sure if I'll buy this year's edition yet, but this could definitely influence my decision. I was really hoping for some major changes to the pitching system.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by ms2002

I read that the endurance system has been revamped. Can we get some details on that before release? I'm not sure if I'll buy this year's edition yet, but this could definitely influence my decision. I was really hoping for some major changes to the pitching system.

Endurance is one of the major problems in the pitching system, and the newsletter said it has been revamped indeed. I asked for details, didn't get any, but I can't wait to see, this could be very nice to see .

[Markus Heinsohn]

In OOTP 9 the endurance is basically broken up in three parts. On a 1-20 scale, any pitcher with 10+ performs as a starter the way you would expect with his ratings. From 5-9 he can give you 100 pitches per start, but the lower the endurance the worse he performs when starting because he does not have the stuff to fool hitters the second time through the lineup. Pitchers with 1-4 endurance should only be used in relief, the can't give you more than 60 pitches per start. When importing a OOTP 8 league the endurance of pitchers is adjusted properly...

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Lintyfresh

I've got a RP that's a 5 endurance from my top scout in a league I play in... only 22 years old... great K/BB: 27/9, and has an ERA under 2. Currently I've got him slotted in the bullpen, but would love to give him a shot at starting. My other 4 scouts are mixed. 2 with 5's and 2 with 4's.

This league is running on an 8 scale. I assume he's a 4.5 in endurance... is that enough to make an effective SP or does he have to be at least a 5 to actually become a solid SP? Just trying to figure out if I need to move the guy to CL, or is a 4.5 in endurance enough to let him average over 6 innings a start?

Btw... his SISA rating gives him a 5 endurance... but of course that could be wildly inaccurate.

I've always heard 5 was the magic number when it came to endurance for SP's... but I'm hoping 4.5 might count as well.

On the 1 to 10 scale I'm often comfortable using a guy with an endurance of 5 in the starting rotation. On a 2 to 8 scale that translates to an endurance of, what, 3.5? I think your 5 is plenty good enough.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

In OOTP 9 the endurance is basically broken up in three parts. On a 1-20 scale, any pitcher with 10+ performs as a starter the way you would expect with his ratings. From 5-9 he can give you 100 pitches per start, but the lower the endurance the worse he performs when starting because he does not have the stuff to fool hitters the second time through the lineup. Pitchers with 1-4 endurance should only be used in relief, the can't give you more than 60 pitches per start. When importing a OOTP 8 league the endurance of pitchers is adjusted properly...

So, does that mean that a guy who would've been a 9 in OOTP8 (and would not have ever lasted more than 4-5 innings) can now give you 6, perhaps 7 innings? Basically, on import, a lot of relievers who never would've dreamed of starting will now be able to start? That's pretty awesome news . Thanks for a system that (on paper anyway) looks like a big improvement .

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

So, does that mean that a guy who would've been a 9 in OOTP8 (and would not have ever lasted more than 4-5 innings) can now give you 6, perhaps 7 innings? Basically, on import, a lot of relievers who never would've dreamed of starting will now be able to start? That's pretty awesome news . Thanks for a system that (on paper anyway) looks like a big improvement .

No, the importer will adjust the pitchers with an endurance of 5-9 because there were many of them in OOTP 8. Only those with an 8 or 9 will end up in the 5-9 range in OOTP 9. This adjustment is necessary to avoid closers in OOTP 8 who happen to have a 6 or 7 endurance become potentially good starters in OOTP 9.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, the importer will adjust the pitchers with an endurance of 5-9 because there were many of them in OOTP 8. Only those with an 8 or 9 will end up in the 5-9 range in OOTP 9. This adjustment is necessary to avoid closers in OOTP 8 who happen to have a 6 or 7 endurance become potentially good starters in OOTP 9.

I see, I see. On the topic of endurance, will people who play with talents only be able to see pitcher endurance (and personality ratings)? It's been brought up often on this board, because endurance is hard to gauge, and personality ratings are impossible to gauge.

[MidnightPyro]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

In OOTP 9 the endurance is basically broken up in three parts. On a 1-20 scale, any pitcher with 10+ performs as a starter the way you would expect with his ratings. From 5-9 he can give you 100 pitches per start, but the lower the endurance the worse he performs when starting because he does not have the stuff to fool hitters the second time through the lineup. Pitchers with 1-4 endurance should only be used in relief, the can't give you more than 60 pitches per start. When importing a OOTP 8 league the endurance of pitchers is adjusted properly...

So basically, on a 1-20 scale, pitchers with less then 10 actually perform *worse* then their ratings would indicate in a starting role, whereas anyone with a 10+ rating, the endurance rating just effects how many pitches they can throw before their tired?

I assume endurance still effects relief pitcher too, right? I could get more work out of a reliever with a 9 then a 2? Maybe?

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

I see, I see. On the topic of endurance, will people who play with talents only be able to see pitcher endurance (and personality ratings)? It's been brought up often on this board, because endurance is hard to gauge, and personality ratings are impossible to gauge.

Endurance is covered now by the "other" rating scale setting

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by MidnightPyro

So basically, on a 1-20 scale, pitchers with less then 10 actually perform *worse* then their ratings would indicate in a starting role, whereas anyone with a 10+ rating, the endurance rating just effects how many pitches they can throw before their tired?

I assume endurance still effects relief pitcher too, right? I could get more work out of a reliever with a 9 then a 2? Maybe?

Yes

[enuttage]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Endurance is covered now by the "other" rating scale setting

Fantastic news, Markus. Thanks once again.

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Endurance is covered now by the "other" rating scale setting

Yesssssss! That's awesome .

Player personalities for Prez... uh.... for OOTP10!

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Yesssssss! That's awesome .

Player personalities for Prez... uh.... for OOTP10!

OOTP 9

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OOTP 9

Really? They are "others" too? My online players will be glad to finally be able to see who's a great leader and who is intellectually deficient . That's great .

[hyde4us11]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Endurance is covered now by the "other" rating scale setting

AWESOME NEWS !!!!

[CMH]

Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Really? They are "others" too? My online players will be glad to finally be able to see who's a great leader and who is intellectually deficient . That's great .

YES!

[Long_Long_Name]

Originally Posted by YankeePride

YES!

Originally Posted by hyde4us11

AWESOME NEWS !!!!

Well my online league members were quicker than I thought to show their enthusiasm .