Aarrghh, Vista!

[RANGER11JP]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Thanks, good to know.

Well, I've been experimenting some tonight and haven't yet figured out how to run as admin, but I suspect I will and will heed your advice. Thanks.




Thanks guys. Now do you LEAVE it off at all times?? Just wondering about the security thing. I don't do a lot of surfing, don't do a lot of downloads, so I'm thinking I'm ok with leaving it off.

Just checked and mine has 3GB. Is this good, or at least sufficient??


These are refreshing. Feeling better about Vista. A little. Thanks for into. Anything new is hard, and its even harder with age. You know, teach an old dog new tricks thing.

Thank you ALL very much for replying. Got a laugh out the ones meant to draw one, and that helped too. Thanks again.


Careful, don't drop that thing. If its running XP, its precious. Check any store if you don't believe me. And you're right, never trust a baby eating dude.

Well, it all works fine now, but if Obama is elected, it will all change!

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Everywhere I've looked for a new laptop, they ALL come with Vista. Finally today I purchased one. SO, before I delve into the great unknown (and heretofore dreaded) Vista and OOTP8, can anyone give any pointers on what pitfalls to avoid or what precautions to take??? Secrets to installation?? Possible crashes to avoid??? I've never so much as gazed at a Vista screen.

ANY help is truly appreciated. I never really learned XP, now it's Vista.

Thanks again for any replies.

Well, first off, from my experience. Nothing is compatible with Vista. Just attempting to get on the internet has a 75% chance of failure. The 6 weeks I spent trying to use Vista was the most miserable decade of my life.


My advice find a way to install XP (or whatever you had before). Then, just to make sure find a priest who can perform an exorcism on your computer.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by kq76

IMO, people totally overexaggerate the issues with Vista. Yeah, you want a good amount of memory, but while 2 would be nice I only have 1GB and it's alright. Yeah, you'll probably want to turn off UAC, but if you can resist then it probably is best to leave it on. Yeah, you need to run things as admin first sometimes, but once you know to try that you're good. Issues with programs not working with Vista are pretty non-existent now and even when Vista first came out I only had 1 program not work with it. And getting used to OOTP8 from OOTP6 takes a whole lot longer than getting used to Vista from XP. I quite like Vista, you just need a modern computer to run it.

Hey, if anything I( underexaggerated in my above post. But, I didnt want to scare him.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Well, first off, from my experience. Nothing is compatible with Vista. Just attempting to get on the internet has a 75% chance of failure. The 6 weeks I spent trying to use Vista was the most miserable decade of my life.


My advice find a way to install XP (or whatever you had before). Then, just to make sure find a priest who can perform an exorcism on your computer.

I find getting on the net easier with vista..especially from a wireless network. It was a little frustrating the first few times I used it but now I like it much more than XP.

[ajsas01]

3 Gb should be fine.

I wasn't actually ripping into vista, I was just saying it runs significantly better with more than the minimum amount of ram given in the spec.

[whitesocks]

I haven't had any problems getting on the internet. To be honest I had more troubles with XP. Not saying I disliked XP, actually the opposite. I really liked XP and was scared to death to use Vista. Now that I have used both I think it is about equal. To be honest I am more worried about them releasing yet another operating system. I am just getting used to Vista and I kind of get tired of the technology race it seems like we have to run to keep up. But with all that said I really doubt that you will have many problems with Vista and will get used to it in short time.

[OldFatGuy]

Ok, I figured out how to run in administartor. Right-click on the icon, then click on run as administrator. All good.

Loaded my first program. Now for all those that say its just like XP after you get rid of that annoying pop-up, please help. Because in XP when I installed a program, it let me direct which directory to install to. Not so here. Or at least not so that I could figure out. The screen that usually comes up giving me the chance to change installation directories never came up, just started installing.

Ok, so I'm thinking I can live with that. But now, I can't FIND WINDOWS EXPLORER!. WTF??? NO!!!! I'm lost without my windows explorer.
Ok, ok, I calm down, figure I'll learn to live without that too.

So, I click on Computer, click on C Drive. Find all sorts of nice little directories. BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE MY JUST INSTALLED GAME!!!!

How do I add custom additions like logos/unis/ etc. IF I CAN'T EVEN FIND OUT WHERE THE **** ITS INSTALLED TO?

Aaarrrghhh, I knew I'd hate this monstrousity. WTF was wrong with XP anyhow? For that matter, WTF was wrong with Windows 95/98/2000/ME??

Ok, ok, calm down I say to myself. Calm down. Now I say to anyone out there. HELP! PLEASE. Pretty Please.

[cbbl]

Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

Well, first off, from my experience. Nothing is compatible with Vista. Just attempting to get on the internet has a 75% chance of failure. The 6 weeks I spent trying to use Vista was the most miserable decade of my life.


My advice find a way to install XP (or whatever you had before). Then, just to make sure find a priest who can perform an exorcism on your computer.

Try Leopard.

(I'm a recently converted Mac user)

[jarmenia]

Originally Posted by cbbl

Try Leopard.

(I'm a recently converted Mac user)

Which is nothing more than a Mac interface on Linux for 2 grand more than linux costs...

[English_Ray]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

So, I click on Computer, click on C Drive. Find all sorts of nice little directories. BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE MY JUST INSTALLED GAME!!!!

How do I add custom additions like logos/unis/ etc. IF I CAN'T EVEN FIND OUT WHERE THE **** ITS INSTALLED TO?

To find where the logos etc go, look for the "Documents" folder on the start menu. Then, the game is in the same place as on XP - the Outofthepark folder, and then OOTP8.

The game itself will have installed into a folder of the same name in the Programs folder on your C: drive. It is possible that this is hidden by default, I can't remember. I can check when I get home if you still can't find it.

Not sure why you didn't have the option to install to a custon location - I would assume that you still can on Vista (its not something I tend to do personally, so I'm not certain).

[captkirk685]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Everywhere I've looked for a new laptop, they ALL come with Vista. Finally today I purchased one. SO, before I delve into the great unknown (and heretofore dreaded) Vista and OOTP8, can anyone give any pointers on what pitfalls to avoid or what precautions to take??? Secrets to installation?? Possible crashes to avoid??? I've never so much as gazed at a Vista screen.

ANY help is truly appreciated. I never really learned XP, now it's Vista.

Thanks again for any replies.

I was in the same boat, I made sure I had a backup of my vista machine and most laptops come with a backup on another partition. I then searched the web for xp drivers for my laptop and I then formatted my laptop and installed XP, it took me awhile to find the right drivers but it works great.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Kelric

I turned the UAC off sometime in my first 24 hours of use of Vista and haven't bothered turning it back on. Vista really is pretty much the same as XP aside from taking more resources and a slightly different way of organizing a few folders.

Actually, I want to thank the guys who suggested this as well. I have been gathering notes to use some day if and when I am forced to go to Vista by that tyrannical superpower Microsoft. So, I copied that How-To Geek article, and in return I would like to offer two things that I saved recently, on the bare chance somebody might find them useful.

If anybody needs that Windows Help file mentioned in the second article, WINHLP32.EXE, I have squirreled it away. PM me with your e-mail address and I will send it to you.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

FWIW, I've had zero problems running OOTP8 (or the OOTP9 beta) on Vista.

Same here... works like a charm for me

[lschaef]

I was pretty sure most of the bad talk about Vista was either hardware issues, or overblown, but I was still a little nervous about ordering my new (work) computer with it.

It's been a few weeks now and I'm very happy so far. It's already a little hard to go back to an XP computer.

If your having any troubles, or interested in tweaking things a little bit I recommend reading Ed Bott's articles:

Ed Bott’s Windows Expertise | News and advice for a Windows-centric world

Ed Bott’s Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com

[1998 Yankees]

I remember Ed Bott. He wrote those giant "Using Microsoft Office XXXX" books that I always intended to read cover to cover and never got past Chapter 3 or so. Anyway, more stuff for my Vista contingency plan archive! Thanks.

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I remember Ed Bott. He wrote those giant "Using Microsoft Office XXXX" books that I always intended to read cover to cover and never got past Chapter 3 or so. Anyway, more stuff for my Vista contingency plan archive! Thanks.

Vista, to me, isn't really as evil as everyone makes it out to be. Once the UAC was disabled, I've run into absolutely no problems that I probably wouldn't have run into for XP. About the only thing I can think of is that when I close Team Fortress 2 I get an error message, but that's just a single-click (OK) on the popup that it doesn't bother me at all.

All my old games (going back a decade or more) run fine on Vista (and StarCraft, which I couldn't ever get to run on XP, runs fine). None of my other programs give me problems. Vista, as I said, just seems to be the same as XP with slightly different file sorting parameters, different search parameters, and more resource hogging. Just make sure to rock 2 gigs of RAM and you're pretty much all set.

[conception]

I just recently got a Vista PC and I actually really like Vista. It makes XP seem so stale. I love the way the folders look and the way that the interface is so much more alive. Sure, its tough to learn a new system, but we all learn new computer games and in the end we are better off for it.

[Left-handed Badger]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Ok, I figured out how to run in administartor. Right-click on the icon, then click on run as administrator. All good.

Loaded my first program. Now for all those that say its just like XP after you get rid of that annoying pop-up, please help. Because in XP when I installed a program, it let me direct which directory to install to. Not so here. Or at least not so that I could figure out. The screen that usually comes up giving me the chance to change installation directories never came up, just started installing.

Ok, so I'm thinking I can live with that. But now, I can't FIND WINDOWS EXPLORER!. WTF??? NO!!!! I'm lost without my windows explorer.
Ok, ok, I calm down, figure I'll learn to live without that too.

So, I click on Computer, click on C Drive. Find all sorts of nice little directories. BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE MY JUST INSTALLED GAME!!!!

How do I add custom additions like logos/unis/ etc. IF I CAN'T EVEN FIND OUT WHERE THE **** ITS INSTALLED TO?

Aaarrrghhh, I knew I'd hate this monstrousity. WTF was wrong with XP anyhow? For that matter, WTF was wrong with Windows 95/98/2000/ME??

Ok, ok, calm down I say to myself. Calm down. Now I say to anyone out there. HELP! PLEASE. Pretty Please.

This was all what happend to me on Day 2 of my 6 week misery.

[Kelric]

Go to your Start Menu, Documents, Sports Interactive (or OOTP8, whatever version you have) and there is the game files.

Not that difficult, just have to first discover that Vista uses the My Documents/Pictures/types of folders more often than XP did.

[The Wolf]

If you remember to leave the UAC off permanently 24/7, then Vista can be lived with. It's not XP, but you can live with it.