Can We Have The Best of Both Worlds?

[chimanbj]

I know this doesn't work in OOTP 2007/8 (confirmed with the tech support forum), but I'm wondering if this will work in 2009:

In a MLB setup, can I import historical rookies, and have fictionial college/high school players in the same draft?

[Cryomaniac]

Wouldn't you end up with far too many players?

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Wouldn't you end up with far too many players?

Shows how little I know. I would've thought you would have to few if it didn't allow for fictional. I thought the Lahman database only included those historicals that made the bigs, thus if you have a historical league with 5 levels of minors, wouldn't that be too few if you didn't add some fictional???

[Kelric]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Shows how little I know. I would've thought you would have to few if it didn't allow for fictional. I thought the Lahman database only included those historicals that made the bigs, thus if you have a historical league with 5 levels of minors, wouldn't that be too few if you didn't add some fictional???

It would be too few. You don't really fill a minor league system with historical players. Adding in fictional players through feeder leagues would help that out.

It's something I'd like to have done a few times as well.

[chimanbj]

The ghost rosters work great, but there are times when I'd love to see if someone from Central High School could really make it in the bigs...when you look through your history, you can see which leagues produced hall of famers...from there, you can figure out which team the players played for.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by chimanbj

The ghost rosters work great, but there are times when I'd love to see if someone from Central High School could really make it in the bigs...when you look through your history, you can see which leagues produced hall of famers...from there, you can figure out which team the players played for.

Yeah, that's why I like feeder leagues. They just don't really work properly. (i.e High school graduates don't go to College, they are either drafted or become free agents).

[zekester91]

Originally Posted by chimanbj

I know this doesn't work in OOTP 2007/8 (confirmed with the tech support forum), but I'm wondering if this will work in 2009:

In a MLB setup, can I import historical rookies, and have fictionial college/high school players in the same draft?

Wait this doesn't work, how has my setup been doing it then? I've had set ups like this since 2006?

Yes you do have to be carefull my one league gets about 1200 players and only needs about 850, but there are other leagues in the world that can take these players.

[zekester91]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Shows how little I know. I would've thought you would have to few if it didn't allow for fictional. I thought the Lahman database only included those historicals that made the bigs, thus if you have a historical league with 5 levels of minors, wouldn't that be too few if you didn't add some fictional???

Normaly when I had just the Database the game would still be creating fictinal players or their wouldn't be enough players for all the rounds and there would only be like 10 of 25 rounds done

[chimanbj]

This is the workaround that I've had to resor to...have the MLB, with its setup, and the historical rookies...and then have a separate league with the college and high school feeder leagues. Make the feeder leagues big enough for the MLB, but make the other league fairly small so that most of the good prospects get released to free agency. However, the problem is that you have to watch for players that you want from the feeder leagues, and if they're signed by the scrub league, then you're out of luck unless you can trade with them or they do the sign-and-release thing...and then you also may end up paying for someone that could/should be drafted....

I would just love to have it work together, but there's probably an issue with how the database is created...

[chimanbj]

I'm working on a test that could serve as a workaround, and also get those high schoolers into college. I've set up a college league, with no financials, and the age limits set. I have a high school feeder league for the college league. When the players "graduate" from college, they should, in theory, show up in the free agent pool.

There are two things I have to keep in mind.
1) I need to make the high school feeder league larger than the college league, otherwise the college league will undoubtedly run out of players.
2) The college league does have some players who are older than the age limit, because the age limit is only checked in the offseason. I can live with that, but I don't know why they just can't be prevented from entering the league in the first place....

[chimanbj]

I've run a simulation, and I need to do some tweaking of the settings. I ended up with most players not making it to the majors. In fact, only one hitter and one pitcher made it to the bigs from high school over a 20-year span, out of 1,041 players who went to high school. I'm going to adjust the aging speed to see if that helps the inclusion rate.

[chimanbj]

Never mind...it doesn't work....few high schoolers get to the bigs...even the really good ones seem to retire after a few years in college....