Wait.... what?

Kelric · 06-12-2008, 09:02 PM

Want to see a team eat $136 million for no reason?

akw4572 · 06-12-2008, 11:20 PM

So this guy sat out the 2010 season, with a torn hammy, and was signed twice by San Diego in the span of 4 weeks, both times for the exact same amount? Then, after being released twice, he gets signed for this ridiculous amount by ANOTHER organization? I've never seen anythign close to this.

Kelric · 06-12-2008, 11:24 PM

Bard played with San Diego from '06 through the injury shortened 2010 seasons (with my sim starting in 2008). He provided a roughly 36 VORP in '08 and '09. Definitely a productive catcher, especially in the pitcher's park that is PetCo. The hamstring injury didn't hurt his ratings or talents in any way. I have no problem with San Diego giving him that initial contract.

What doesn't make sense, of course, is releasing him the very same day. And then re-signing him shortly after to the same exact contract. And releasing him the very same day. Again.

I'm now at Opening Day in 2011 and the Brewers have yet to release him.

Nukester · 06-12-2008, 11:24 PM

Thats sign and release thing is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane with the game. It happens constantly with my historical league, where a player will get signed and released by a bunch of teams all within the same couple of days.

Here is just one example. This is mass signing and dropping. Ive had single players signed and released by many teams in the same day or within a couple of days of each other, always getting dropped the same day of signing

Sign and Release Still Happening

Kelric · 06-12-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nukester

Thats sign and release thing is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane with the game. It happens constantly with my historical league, where a player will get signed and released by a bunch of teams all within the same couple of days.

It definitely still happens rather frequently. I notice it a lot with recently drafted players and random mid-level prospects. This one just especially stuck out at me since his name was constantly in the headlines for signing a nice free agent contract.

akw4572 · 06-13-2008, 10:20 AM

Markus, how about a rule of..........if you sign a player to X amount of money, you can't release them X amount of time, unless there is a CEI. Can that be made an option?

Cryomaniac · 06-13-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

Markus, how about a rule of..........if you sign a player to X amount of money, you can't release them X amount of time, unless there is a CEI. Can that be made an option?

How about teams don't release players with CEIs until the end of the season, which is much more realistic.

CHCfan · 06-13-2008, 11:33 AM

Is it still true -- maybe I'm misremembering -- that AI teams don't actually have to pay out contracts to released players?

StyxNCa · 06-13-2008, 11:41 AM

I have had to shake my head many times over stuff like that.

holley · 06-13-2008, 12:16 PM

CHCfan~
"misremembering" lol

Hey and sorry bout Soriano.

shercot · 06-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nukester

Thats sign and release thing is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane with the game. It happens constantly with my historical league, where a player will get signed and released by a bunch of teams all within the same couple of days.

Here is just one example. This is mass signing and dropping. Ive had single players signed and released by many teams in the same day or within a couple of days of each other, always getting dropped the same day of signing

A couple months back, a player who'd won Batter awards two years out of three suddenly retired at 28. I unretired him and signed him to his original team, and over the next few months, he was signed to minor league deals and released within a week about a dozen times... and then he retired, as if the game wanted to teach me a lesson.

Today, though, a guy signed a five-year deal with a new team on January 10 for $61.2 million, got released on January 30, then signed a five-year deal with a new team for $61.9 on February 18, so this is one rich dude.

rem · 06-13-2008, 05:47 PM

Josh Bard???!!?!?!

Giants44 · 06-13-2008, 06:24 PM

I am about as fanboy as you can get, but I agree that is pretty off the charts bad.

does make me feel better about the real life Zito deal.

SittingDuck · 06-13-2008, 06:43 PM

I don't know. At this point it's like petting a dead dog.

kq76 · 06-17-2008, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelric

Want to see a team eat $136 million for no reason?

Just to make it clear, what version were you using at the time and which version was the league started with?

Quote:

Originally Posted by akw4572

Markus, how about a rule of..........if you sign a player to X amount of money, you can't release them X amount of time, unless there is a CEI. Can that be made an option?

Crutch fixes like that leave a bad taste in my mouth. There just might be a legitimate situation out there where something like this, but most likely not to this extent, would happen in real life. Maybe it would be better to resort to a fix like that, but I'd much rather see the AI get smart enough that it just signed a player to a big contract, why on earth would it release him the same day? And then just two weeks after it gave up on the player, whyin the world would it give him another chance by signing him to another big contract so soon?

If you do add a crutch like this, would you say the AI can't release a guy the same day as he signed a contract? Okay, maybe that'd be okay, but how long should they have to wait: a week, a month, a year? What about re-signing them after releasing them, do you wait the same time or different? If that rule is triggered by salary, how much: 1M, 5m, 10M?

I wish I could suggest something smart to maybe fix it, but I've got nothing.

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

How about teams don't release players with CEIs until the end of the season, which is much more realistic.

That's better although it doesn't solve the sign and release without a CEI.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHCfan

Is it still true -- maybe I'm misremembering -- that AI teams don't actually have to pay out contracts to released players?

I certainly hope not. I'd test it, but with OOTP9 so close at hand, I'd rather wait and test it.

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Originally Posted by SittingDuck

I don't know. At this point it's like petting a dead dog.

Meaning you're pretty sure this is finally fixed in OOTP9 or you just give up on this bug?

Kelric · 06-17-2008, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kq76

Just to make it clear, what version were you using at the time and which version was the league started with?

OOTP2007, 2.0.3.68 for both questions.

In addition, on 7/5/2010 while Bard was hurt, the Padres traded for Joe Mauer, a 4.5 star defensive and offensive All Star at the catcher spot. That's fine, assuming they are going to let Bard hit free agency (which they did).

On 11/24/2010, they gave Joe Mauer a 7 year, $90,690,000 contract extension. That's about two weeks before signing Josh Bard to that initial free agent contract and more than a month before his second deal. Mauer didn't suffer any Talent or noticeable Ratings drops during that time period.

playball335 · 06-17-2008, 02:44 PM

This was supposedly fixed in version 8, per Markus.

Kelric · 06-17-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by playball335

This was supposedly fixed in version 8, per Markus.

I'll believe it when I don't see it in OOTP9.

Eric · 06-17-2008, 09:40 PM

Another possibility is that the mafia is using this guy to launder their money.

06-12-2008, 09:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	Wait.... what? Want to see a team eat $136 million for no reason? __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

06-12-2008, 11:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,982 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	Bard played with San Diego from '06 through the injury shortened 2010 seasons (with my sim starting in 2008). He provided a roughly 36 VORP in '08 and '09. Definitely a productive catcher, especially in the pitcher's park that is PetCo. The hamstring injury didn't hurt his ratings or talents in any way. I have no problem with San Diego giving him that initial contract. What doesn't make sense, of course, is releasing him the very same day. And then re-signing him shortly after to the same exact contract. And releasing him the very same day. Again. I'm now at Opening Day in 2011 and the Brewers have yet to release him. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

06-12-2008, 11:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,930 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Thats sign and release thing is the one thing that drives me absolutely insane with the game. It happens constantly with my historical league, where a player will get signed and released by a bunch of teams all within the same couple of days. Here is just one example. This is mass signing and dropping. Ive had single players signed and released by many teams in the same day or within a couple of days of each other, always getting dropped the same day of signing Sign and Release Still Happening __________________ Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you. Last edited by Nukester; 06-12-2008 at 11:31 PM.

06-13-2008, 05:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 4,985 Thanked 7x in 5 posts	Josh Bard???!!?!?! __________________ Born To Play: Commissioner, Baltimore Orioles GM MLB 93: Baltimore Orioles OTBA: Washington Filibusters 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

06-13-2008, 06:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,032 Thanked 44x in 23 posts	I am about as fanboy as you can get, but I agree that is pretty off the charts bad. does make me feel better about the real life Zito deal. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

06-12-2008, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,277 Thanked 29x in 22 posts	So this guy sat out the 2010 season, with a torn hammy, and was signed twice by San Diego in the span of 4 weeks, both times for the exact same amount? Then, after being released twice, he gets signed for this ridiculous amount by ANOTHER organization? I've never seen anythign close to this.

06-13-2008, 10:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,277 Thanked 29x in 22 posts	Markus, how about a rule of..........if you sign a player to X amount of money, you can't release them X amount of time, unless there is a CEI. Can that be made an option?

06-13-2008, 11:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
CHCfan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 1,091 Thanked 13x in 12 posts	Is it still true -- maybe I'm misremembering -- that AI teams don't actually have to pay out contracts to released players?

06-13-2008, 11:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 2,997 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	I have had to shake my head many times over stuff like that.

06-13-2008, 12:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
holley Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 22 Thanked 1x in 1 post	CHCfan~ "misremembering" lol Hey and sorry bout Soriano.

06-13-2008, 06:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
SittingDuck All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,834	I don't know. At this point it's like petting a dead dog.

06-17-2008, 02:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
playball335 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Georgetown, MA Posts: 226 Thanked 9x in 8 posts	This was supposedly fixed in version 8, per Markus.

06-17-2008, 09:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,121 Thanked 8x in 5 posts	Another possibility is that the mafia is using this guy to launder their money.

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