Two new OOTP 9 screenshots!

[Mattymo]

It'd be AWESOMe if the "hot & not" were in the team page as well

[Kemp]

Are "hot" and "cold" spells coded into the game or are they just random? In other words, do the odds ever actually change for a player to get a hit from at bat to at bat?

[ootp3to6]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

One question, right now the hot & cold stats include spring training games... should they be removed from the equation?

Yes. Please remove spring training games from hot & cold stats.
Hot & cold stats are a great addition!

[ootp3to6]

Originally Posted by Mattymo

It'd be AWESOMe if the "hot & not" were in the team page as well

I agree.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Kemp

Are "hot" and "cold" spells coded into the game or are they just random? In other words, do the odds ever actually change for a player to get a hit from at bat to at bat?

I would really hope that it's neither coded nor random, that hot and cold spells are results of the game engine utilizing ratings with a bit of chance and other factors taken into account. That would make this feature one of monitoring and reporting, not determination. Otherwise, we may be in for one of those "Markus, Fix This!" threads if it's a completely new coding module.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Stretch145

Markus,

Can you have the option to turn it off and on for Spring games. This way it would please everybody....Just an idea.


Speaking of ideas....I know in the history it shows what player has won a championship but can you add this to the top of the page for his accomplishments? Like with MVP, player of the week, etc.

I posted a new thread with an idea for the player history format. I think this idea would make things easier to read.

[SittingDuck]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

I tend to agree... I'll remove them from the hot & cold calculation

Good move. Great addition. *thumbs*

[BusterKing]

Spring training stats = MEANINGLESS!


Nice added features.

Might have to cancel my one week fishing trip coming up on release day.... NOT

[CHCfan]

I really like the addition of Hot/Cold stats...

But it's a little more cumbersome than I would prefer . . . it'd be nice if the player's stat line was condensed to highlight his appearance on the list. I.e. to the right of so-and-so's name it would simply read something like: 15-37 (.288), 2 2b, 1 3b, 4 HRs, 12 RBIs , 6 SBs. If he didn't hit any 3bs, for example, it wouldn't say "0 3Bs."

Does that make sense? Probably too complicated to be worth it, but that was my first thought.

All in all, looking real great.

[Kemp]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I would really hope that it's neither coded nor random, that hot and cold spells are results of the game engine utilizing ratings with a bit of chance and other factors taken into account. That would make this feature one of monitoring and reporting, not determination. Otherwise, we may be in for one of those "Markus, Fix This!" threads if it's a completely new coding module.

I phrased my question horribly. When I say "random" I mean, "randomly based on the engine utilizing the player ratings".

Using a simpler example, if I rolled a 6-sided dice 600 times I'd expect to see each number represented about 100 times. But say I roll a '6' ten times in a row, would that show up on the "hot list"?? It's a statisical fluke, there isn't any "code" that says, "the dice is on a roll right now and a 6 is more likely".

I'm wondering if there is a "hot" or "cold" indicator for players in OOTP or if this list is just showing all the recent "flukes".

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by CHCfan

I really like the addition of Hot/Cold stats...

But it's a little more cumbersome than I would prefer . . . it'd be nice if the player's stat line was condensed to highlight his appearance on the list. I.e. to the right of so-and-so's name it would simply read something like: 15-37 (.288), 2 2b, 1 3b, 4 HRs, 12 RBIs , 6 SBs. If he didn't hit any 3bs, for example, it wouldn't say "0 3Bs."

Does that make sense? Probably too complicated to be worth it, but that was my first thought.

All in all, looking real great.

It does make sense not to include a stat that the player didn't have any of.

[CHCfan]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

It does make sense not to include a stat that the player didn't have any of.

Really, I think my point is that this screen should be as easy and accessible as possible. I can see Markus' motivation, though: I'm sure it was much much easier to code this way, since it's really just a chart, like those that appear on every other stat screen.

Changing it isn't a priority, but would be nice, IMO

[Exodor]

Originally Posted by karadur

The first option is already in the game, under History/Accomplishments.

Where?

I see totals for player of the week/month, etc but not for player of the game.

[potatoman]

Originally Posted by Kemp

I phrased my question horribly. When I say "random" I mean, "randomly based on the engine utilizing the player ratings".

Using a simpler example, if I rolled a 6-sided dice 600 times I'd expect to see each number represented about 100 times. But say I roll a '6' ten times in a row, would that show up on the "hot list"?? It's a statisical fluke, there isn't any "code" that says, "the dice is on a roll right now and a 6 is more likely".

I'm wondering if there is a "hot" or "cold" indicator for players in OOTP or if this list is just showing all the recent "flukes".

I think I understand what you are saying and I am wondering the same thing as well. If they player is on the "Hot" list, does it mean anything to us managers at all?

For example, in the screenie, does Jake Lane being on a hot streak mean that "he's feeling it" and will probably continue to be on a hot streak? Or does Jake Lane being on a hot streak just mean that coincidentally, the past x number of days, he's been able to get hits/hrs/runs etc.

If a player is on a cold streak, will he be more likely to be "cold" going forward? Should we, as the manager, bench a cold player for a bit?

In real life, players go on hot/cold streaks all the time and it affects managerial decision because being on a hot/cold streak affects their performance going forward. In OOTP, it seems like hits and stuff are generated on random based on ratings so is there something coded in that makes it so if they are on a hot streak, they'll be more confident and play better or no?

[endgame]

It depends on who you ask and what you ask. If you're asking, is there anything in the code to beef up or slow down - for an indeterminant amount of time - a hot or cold player? I'd wager the answer is no; that Markus has provided an 'informative' page. If you ask the stat rationalists, they'll likely tell you that streaks are streaks and that it will even itself out, usually, to betray the player's actual performance level. Given that, the same indeterminant factor applies: you simply don't know when that will be. Just as one player levels out - or suddenly bottoms out - you may discover another player has recently moved into the hot zone. Is it statistically significant? Does it provide any sort of 'added quality' to your decisions in terms of hard, measurable data? The purists, IIRC, answer no. It's simply a streak, just like any other, winning or losing, hitting or not. But your task as a manager is to embrace all available resources based on your particular management style. If you're a purist, I doubt you'll give it much credence. But most of us, regardless of our claims, would probably 'lean' toward the meager consideration of a player's trend.

[Doughnuts?]

very nice additions. release can't come soon enough.

[USN Squid]

All the screens from the beta have used the ABA league.

The logos and unis look GREAT.

Will it be made available as a quickstart within the game?

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

All the screens from the beta have used the ABA league.

The logos and unis look GREAT.

Will it be made available as a quickstart within the game?

Either a quickstart or a lg file.

There's a couple of tiny surprises inside.

[DreamTeams]

Wonderful additions.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by endgame

It depends on who you ask and what you ask. If you're asking, is there anything in the code to beef up or slow down - for an indeterminant amount of time - a hot or cold player? I'd wager the answer is no; that Markus has provided an 'informative' page. If you ask the stat rationalists, they'll likely tell you that streaks are streaks and that it will even itself out, usually, to betray the player's actual performance level. Given that, the same indeterminant factor applies: you simply don't know when that will be. Just as one player levels out - or suddenly bottoms out - you may discover another player has recently moved into the hot zone. Is it statistically significant? Does it provide any sort of 'added quality' to your decisions in terms of hard, measurable data? The purists, IIRC, answer no. It's simply a streak, just like any other, winning or losing, hitting or not. But your task as a manager is to embrace all available resources based on your particular management style. If you're a purist, I doubt you'll give it much credence. But most of us, regardless of our claims, would probably 'lean' toward the meager consideration of a player's trend.

I agree with this. A streak can end as suddenly as it began, and theoretically one should not base a decision on a streak but on cold hard analysis of ratings and overall statistics. However, the human being in us will want to go with "the hot hand" even if the numbers say the odds are against that player. This is exactly how it is in real life, and I hope it is the same in the game. That is, streaks are just being reported and not determinants in any way.