Injury Query: What is a 'Broken Elbow' and why does it take 11 months to heal?

bababui · 11-01-2008, 11:39 PM

An elbow is a joint. There is nothing to break there. The other elbow injuries are already covered. Why is this injury in the game and who decided it required 11 months to heal?

lencombs · 11-01-2008, 11:57 PM

Your elbow is a complex joint formed by 3 bones:

The humerus is a single bone in your upper arm that runs from your shoulder to your elbow.

The radius and ulna, bones of your forearm, run from the elbow to the wrist.

Ligaments, muscles, and tendons maintain your elbow's stability and allow joint movement.

could see that taking 11 months to heal if the bone was broken in the elbow joint area, 4-6 months would seem more practical.

bababui · 11-02-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lencombs

Your elbow is a complex joint formed by 3 bones:

The humerus is a single bone in your upper arm that runs from your shoulder to your elbow.

The radius and ulna, bones of your forearm, run from the elbow to the wrist.

Ligaments, muscles, and tendons maintain your elbow's stability and allow joint movement.

could see that taking 11 months to heal if the bone was broken in the elbow joint area, 4-6 months would seem more practical.

I can definitely see one of the 3 bones being broken. Like Football Manager, OOTP needs to hire a sports MD to revamp injuries to make them more specific and realistic.

conception · 11-02-2008, 01:14 AM

Mark Prior broke his elbow a few years ago. Many people thought it could have been a career ender (oh the irony) but it turned out to be a compression fracture and not that big of a deal. But it is definitely possible to shatter your elbow, which would be a very difficult injury to overcome.

ELDoro · 11-02-2008, 01:30 AM

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Mark Prior broke his elbow a few years ago. Many people thought it could have been a career ender (oh the irony) but it turned out to be a compression fracture and not that big of a deal. But it is definitely possible to shatter your elbow, which would be a very difficult injury to overcome.

You dont really break your "elbow" you break one of those 3 bones or tear an ligament

PSUColonel · 11-02-2008, 01:35 AM

I broke my coronoid within the elbow nearly 3 years ago, and it is still not 100 percent. It likely never will be in fact. It has seriously affected my golf swing.

jazzrack · 11-02-2008, 03:27 AM

i broke mine over 3 years ago, and it was fairly minor, but it has never been the same. it was 6 months before it even started to feel somewhat normal. I can't imagine what it would do to a pitcher.

of course breaking it a second time falling in the shower didn't help either.

if the guy comes back even close to what he was consider yourself lucky

Bluenoser · 11-02-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ELDoro

You dont really break your "elbow" you break one of those 3 bones or tear an ligament

Technicalities

You don't really break your "leg" either, just a bone in it.

conception · 11-02-2008, 06:27 AM

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You dont really break your "elbow" you break one of those 3 bones or tear an ligament

If it were to say "broken radius", most people would assume that it is farther down in the wrist. A broken arm like that is simply not near as big of a deal and I really don't see a problem with labeling an injury affecting that joint with the joint name.

injury log · 11-02-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

An elbow is a joint. There is nothing to break there. The other elbow injuries are already covered. Why is this injury in the game and who decided it required 11 months to heal?

The injury that ended Adam Loewen's pitching career was announced as a 'stress fracture (elbow)', to give one example. I'm all for updating the language in injuries.txt, but I'm not in favour of eliminating injuries which actually happen.

Malleus Dei · 11-03-2008, 08:47 PM

When I broke my elbow it took about a year for it to heal.

bababui · 11-03-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by injury log

The injury that ended Adam Loewen's pitching career was announced as a 'stress fracture (elbow)', to give one example. I'm all for updating the language in injuries.txt, but I'm not in favour of eliminating injuries which actually happen.

Well, using 'broken elbow' is a dumbing down of a more specific injury. While it wouldnt really add anything to the game except a deeper sense of immersion, it would be fun to use precise medical language to describe injuries.

Blaskine · 11-04-2008, 08:35 AM

I knew someone in high school who had a great throwing arm and actually might have gone on to great things, but he broke his elbow playing football in a schoolyard and he could never really throw a ball hard again. It's a killer.

Cardinal Rule · 11-04-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Well, using 'broken elbow' is a dumbing down of a more specific injury. While it wouldnt really add anything to the game except a deeper sense of immersion, it would be fun to use precise medical language to describe injuries.

Isn't it possible to edit the injuries file? You could change it to use the more precise medical language you desire.

bababui · 11-04-2008, 12:41 PM

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Isn't it possible to edit the injuries file? You could change it to use the more precise medical language you desire.

Im not a sports injury expert. There must be one in this community who could improve injuries.

The Wolf · 11-04-2008, 06:41 PM

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t would be fun to use precise medical language to describe injuries.

People sure have different ideas of what's fun.

bababui · 11-04-2008, 10:18 PM

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People sure have different ideas of what's fun.

Using precise language would probably also mean more realistic timeframes for injury recovery because not all elbow injuries are equal.

injury log · 11-05-2008, 01:16 AM

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People sure have different ideas of what's fun.

Maybe we can agree that OOTP is 'fun' partly because it's 'immersive', and that some people lose that 'immersion' when they see a guy sidelined for six months with an 'inguinal hernia'. That's in the injury database, but I've never seen it in a baseball news report. If we can improve injuries, we'll improve the game, and yes, it will be more fun.

The Wolf · 11-06-2008, 12:00 AM

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some people lose that 'immersion' when they see a guy sidelined for six months with an 'inguinal hernia'

Just FYI, SABR researcher John Thorn concluded that Jim Creighton, baseball's first superstar, died from a ruptured inguinal hernia that he developed on the field.

injury log · 11-06-2008, 06:52 AM

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Just FYI, SABR researcher John Thorn concluded that Jim Creighton, baseball's first superstar, died from a ruptured inguinal hernia that he developed on the field.

And the last time you saw a baseball player sidelined with an inguinal hernia was...

It's a medical diagnosis, so of course it's happened to someone. Should it happen a few times every season?

11-01-2008, 11:39 PM	#1
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Injury Query: What is a 'Broken Elbow' and why does it take 11 months to heal? An elbow is a joint. There is nothing to break there. The other elbow injuries are already covered. Why is this injury in the game and who decided it required 11 months to heal?

11-01-2008, 11:57 PM	#2
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 533	Your elbow is a complex joint formed by 3 bones: The humerus is a single bone in your upper arm that runs from your shoulder to your elbow. The radius and ulna, bones of your forearm, run from the elbow to the wrist. Ligaments, muscles, and tendons maintain your elbow's stability and allow joint movement. could see that taking 11 months to heal if the bone was broken in the elbow joint area, 4-6 months would seem more practical. __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

11-02-2008, 03:27 AM	#7
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229 Blog Entries: 25	i broke mine over 3 years ago, and it was fairly minor, but it has never been the same. it was 6 months before it even started to feel somewhat normal. I can't imagine what it would do to a pitcher. of course breaking it a second time falling in the shower didn't help either. if the guy comes back even close to what he was consider yourself lucky __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball Last edited by jazzrack; 11-02-2008 at 03:29 AM.

11-02-2008, 01:14 AM	#4
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,149	Mark Prior broke his elbow a few years ago. Many people thought it could have been a career ender (oh the irony) but it turned out to be a compression fracture and not that big of a deal. But it is definitely possible to shatter your elbow, which would be a very difficult injury to overcome.

11-02-2008, 01:35 AM	#6
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	I broke my coronoid within the elbow nearly 3 years ago, and it is still not 100 percent. It likely never will be in fact. It has seriously affected my golf swing.

11-04-2008, 08:35 AM	#13
Blaskine Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17	I knew someone in high school who had a great throwing arm and actually might have gone on to great things, but he broke his elbow playing football in a schoolyard and he could never really throw a ball hard again. It's a killer.