Bad Stats Still = Bad Development?

[Ktulu]

So why don't ML teams stick their 18 year old prospects in AAA until they get good enough to play in the majors?

[RonCo]

As I noted above:

The main purpose of the multiple levels of minors are (1) to judge how good the player is at any one time (his performance against an established baseline lets you project how he would perform against the majors...and (2) to hold onto the rights to a player while he physically matures long enough to see if he's ever going to be a major league contributor.

It is in the major league team's favor to have leagues at several levels of skill by which to judge talent and capability. They will play a guy at the highest level they are capable of playing at to see what he can do. In addition, the human factor does come in--its in your best interest to have the guy playing where he's able to compete for the most part so that he doesn't get frustrated and quit.

In addition, you have only a limited number of slots on any one team, so there are business reasons related to point (2) above.

[Ktulu]

Yes, but you seem to be arguing that there should be no consequences to mismanaging your minor leaguers. From what I understand, with your reasoning a 17 year old could play his entire OOTP minor league career in AAA and he would develop the same as he would have had he been managed "properly"... am I misunderstanding you?

[RonCo]

My main point is that playing above your level does not cause you to lose talent or potential as OOTP knows it.

[andymac]

To me, it is a problem if a player is taking talent hits simply because he is playing at the "wrong" level. I think it is realistic for his actual ratings to develop slower or not at all in those situations, but he shouldn't take talent hits.

[RonCo]

There exist several reasons you wouldn't play a team of 17 year olds at AAA.

- Your 17 year-old will probably develop just as well in short season or rookie ball.
- You have other players under contract who will better benefit from the competition level at AAA
- In that vein, you have limited roster slots at all levels of your organization, and you want to optimize growth and learning.
- You also want to be able to judge that player's true ability.
- While you may not break that 17 year-old's skillset by playing him at AAA, it would also be no fun for the kid, and he may well lose his passion and therefore not develop at the rate long-term you would like him to. Hence you could say his OOTP ratings could grow more slowly if he had _LONG TERM_ poor performance over his level ... actually I think the opposite is more lilely true, though...a 24 year-old at single-A will likely regress because his skills are nt being stretched or challenged.

If you brought that same 17 year-old to AAA for two weeks on a short-term assignment and told him you dind't care if he stank or not, he would probably learn a lot from it. But business-wise, for every 17 yo you do that with, you need to use a roster spot that could go to a 22-yo prospect or a big-club back-up.

[PhillieFever]

The Phillies were notorious for bringing pitchers up to the big club way too early where they predictably failed miserably.Some had their confidence shaken so badly that they never recovered,and faded away into obscurity,others like Gavin Floyd had to go elsewhere to rediscover themselves.There definitely is something to be said for poor development plans which can and do derail promising careers.

[kingcharlesxii]

I usually sign AAA-AAAA level vets to fill holes in my minor systems because of this. For one reason, it helps keep the guys who need to win happy and I think they develop better if they're happy. For second, it depresses the stats of the other prospects in the league if my 30 year old 1B hits 50 HRs in AA or A.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by RonCo

... actually I think the opposite is more lilely true, though...a 24 year-old at single-A will likely regress because his skills aren't being stretched or challenged.

And this is also supposed to be part of the development algorythm, which begs the question, "Is it safe to say that stats that are too good lead to potential hits?"

[Afino]

Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

I usually sign AAA-AAAA level vets to fill holes in my minor systems because of this. For one reason, it helps keep the guys who need to win happy and I think they develop better if they're happy. For second, it depresses the stats of the other prospects in the league if my 30 year old 1B hits 50 HRs in AA or A.

I usually try to keep an age limit on prospects at each level. It's not a hard and fast rule, but more of a guideline. Especially since some guys are 23 coming out of the draft.

AAA to me doesn't matter. I sign those vets just like you do.
AA - 27
A - 25
S A and Rookie - 23

[PhillieFever]

Sorry

[PhillieFever]

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[PhillieFever]

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[RonCo]

Originally Posted by kingcharlesxii

I usually sign AAA-AAAA level vets to fill holes in my minor systems because of this. For one reason, it helps keep the guys who need to win happy and I think they develop better if they're happy. For second, it depresses the stats of the other prospects in the league if my 30 year old 1B hits 50 HRs in AA or A.

Another reason to fix this hole in the development algorithm.

[Afino]

psst....I think you have wrong thread again.

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by Afino

psst....I think you have wrong thread again.

Yup,I can't believe I did that again.