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01-23-2013, 05:09 AM | #1 |
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Salary Arbitration and players who are always injured!
It doesn't appear salary arbitration takes into account frequently injured players or those who are on the DL for long periods of time like 8 months to a year. I just got hit with a 3 million dollar increase over what I offered which was only a mere million under what the player demanded and that just ain't right as this player was injured 8 months came off the DL and then got injured again during the playoffs and is out for another 3-4 months. This isn't the first time he's been on the injury list either. You should see his injury record. He gets hurt every single year and is usually how long periods of time but when he's there he's a star player for sure but only having him 1 or 2 months out of the season isn't worth a 3 million dollar arbitration increase.
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01-23-2013, 08:06 AM | #2 |
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Check what players on other teams have been receiving in arbitration and compare. I bet you'll discover that your player's award is reasonable.
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01-23-2013, 10:00 AM | #3 |
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decline arbitration or sign him and trade him
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01-23-2013, 10:21 AM | #4 | |
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It's not a inside the game issue as much as it's an "inside the CODE" issue of not taking injuries into effect when the artificial intelligence arbitrates. |
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01-23-2013, 11:58 AM | #5 |
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Because thats not always the way real life works either. You pay for talent first and maybe get a discount for injury later.
See Erik Bedard. Made the least starts when he made the most money in his career, did the Mariners get a discount in 2009 after he only made 15 starts in 2008? Nope |
01-23-2013, 12:07 PM | #6 | |
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The other factor here is that the arbiter can only choose between your offer and the player's offer. It sounds from your post like you put an a offer of $1M under the arbitration estimate, and the player's offer was $3M above that. The arbiter can't choose a middle ground. So if your offer was more unfair to the player than the player's offer was unfair to you, then the player's offer might win, even if it's "too much." The lesson here is: don't lowball too much.
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01-23-2013, 12:13 PM | #7 |
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Real life data point as an example:
Ike Davis and the Mets recently agreed on a 1 year, $3,125,000 extension to avoid arbitration. This was the first year of Davis' arbitration eligibility. The Mets reportedly had offered $2.825 million, and Davis had filed for $3.7 million. This is a player who has some star potential, but last year he batted only .227/.308/.462. He also missed some substantial time over the last two years to an ankle injury, and potentially suffered from Valley Fever.
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01-23-2013, 01:00 PM | #8 |
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If he's always injured, what the heck are you paying him for, anyway? Let him walk, and use that money on someone who'll actually take the field for you. Even a .200 hitter is better than a guy who's on the DL 3/4 of the year.
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01-23-2013, 01:03 PM | #9 | |
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01-23-2013, 01:08 PM | #10 |
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This isn't about why's and what'for's this is about the GAME CODE and IS IT WORKING PROPERLY. Does it take into account how often a player is injured an on the DL list when it ARBITRATES. I certainly don't need a lesson in how to manage a team I always come in first in my division and into the playoffs. Please READ the Opening statement and don't adlib you're great managerial stratagies lol I don't need them.
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01-23-2013, 01:08 PM | #11 | |
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01-23-2013, 03:39 PM | #12 | |
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