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View Poll Results: Do you want some form of graphics - over and above the ball flight - in OOTP?
Yes 64 55.17%
No 52 44.83%
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you want graphics in OOTP?

In a, perhaps forlorn, hope to settle the issue, I thought I'd make a poll. Since Markus has said he wants graphics eventually, it's likely it will happen.

It's a yes / no poll because they're the easiest to interpret, and it leaves out arguments about biased polling and arguments about "no graphics until the sim engine is perfect".
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This is BS.

1. Markus has already spoken, making this totally redundant.

2. Given (1), the poll is not only pointless but automatically biased. People will answer "yes" even if they would have chosen "no" a month ago because Markus has now stated flatly that there will be graphics eventually.

3. In "some form" wasn't what the graphics crowd were after. They wanted the whole nine graphical yards.

I repeat: this is BS. And any results will be meaningless.
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This is BS.

1. Markus has already spoken, making this totally redundant.

2. Given (1), the poll is not only pointless but automatically biased. People will answer "yes" even if they would have chosen "no" a month ago because Markus has now stated flatly that there will be graphics eventually.

3. In "some form" wasn't what the graphics crowd were after. They wanted the whole nine graphical yards.

I repeat: this is BS. And any results will be meaningless.

Which is different than every other poll but on this board, because those hold a lot of weight.
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In a, perhaps forlorn, hope to settle the issue, I thought I'd make a poll.
What part of Markus stating that there would be graphics in OOTP did you fail to comprehend? This issue was settled the minute he wrote that.
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Which is different than every other poll but on this board, because those hold a lot of weight.
Ah, but this one is not only pointless but it holds no weight at all.
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What part of Markus stating that there would be graphics in OOTP did you fail to comprehend? This issue was settled the minute he wrote that.
Settled, in the sense that it's happening, yes. The question is if people want it, not if they think it will happen, because it will.

And I never claim that my polls hold weight.
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Ah, but this one is not only pointless but it holds no weight at all.
Almost every poll ever put up on this board is pointless and holds no weight. You are just being crotchety.
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Almost every poll ever put up on this board is pointless and holds no weight. You are just being crotchety.
Perhaps. But this one is redundant, pointless, and holds no weight at all no matter how much it makes me /facepalm.


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Regarding animated 2D/3D graphics:

This will definitely be in OOTP some day. Why? Because I want it to be! It's been a dream of mine since I started coding the game. However, there are a couple of issues with it:

1) I wouldn't want to do it half-assed. I would want the player positioning and movement to be right (I am not talking the looks here, but rather where players move depending on situation/ball location etc.), and this is something not even action games like The Show get right all the time, despite them having multi-million Dollar budgets and ten times more people than we do.
2) Since we could never compete with PS3 graphics, we'd have to find a representation that would still look good without looking cheap / outdated. And that is a pretty tough task.
3) The 2D/3D engine would have to be very fast, because it would have to be used to simulate games as well, otherwise we'd have two different engines inside the game, which is something I would hate.

This all means that it is a LOT of work. And since we cannot afford to hire more people (unless you tell all your friends to buy OOTP 14), it's something that will not happen in the near future. But it will, someday.
This issue is not just settled, but over.
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Perhaps. But this one is redundant, pointless, and holds no weight at all no matter how much it makes me /facepalm.
You don't have to read the threads about it.
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Settled, in the sense that it's happening, yes. The question is if people want it, not if they think it will happen, because it will.

And I never claim that my polls hold weight.
And you don't understand that now that the issue is settled that people will be exceedingly reluctant to argue against what Markus has already decided?

/facepalm
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You don't have to read the threads about it.
And you don't have to make pointless threads about it, but you did anyway.
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I'm sorry, you most have forgotten your medicine this morning and think you came to a magical place where all threads matter and there is not pointless post. He is free to start any type of poll he wants asking anything he wants. Just like you are free to come to it and act like you don't have manners.
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Almost every poll ever put up on this board is pointless and holds no weight. You are just being crotchety.
I second that statement. Does the guy even have a life? He's in every thread and always has some snertty remark for most things. Did his mother not breast feed him enough when he was young? lol
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Wish this poll had a "doesn't matter" or what not. Myself if it had graphics that's fine, but I never use what's in the game as is. Maybe if I played the games out (I mainly do online leagues)?
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I second that statement. Does the guy even have a life? He's in every thread and always has some snertty remark for most things. Did his mother not breast feed him enough when he was young? lol

I don't agree with The Wolf here. But I am going to go out on a limb and assert that his 6800+ posts have been pretty valuable to this community on the aggregate. I'm going to give him the benefit of that bank of contributions and allow him to vent if he wishes. You should do the same. If you can't do that, you should at least refrain from insulting him personally.
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You need a poll option for "don't care".........
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You need a poll option for "don't care".........
This. If I voted, I'd have to vote no, and then the pro-graphics people would assume I'm vehemently against them. I sim almost exclusively, so graphics are pretty much irrelevant to me.
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I can see how most people would want to have some sort of graphics improvement in OOTP. Maybe the question should be whether or not graphics should be the main priority.
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I'm sorry, you most have forgotten your medicine this morning and think you came to a magical place where all threads matter and there is not pointless post. He is free to start any type of poll he wants asking anything he wants. Just like you are free to come to it and act like you don't have manners.
Just like you are free to make insults?

Have fun with the pointlessness, everyone.
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Maybe the question should be whether or not graphics should be the main priority.
Given what Markus has said, I'd say he sees it as somewhere in the middle.
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