Dead Ball Era Settings

Max Venerable · 04-07-2002, 01:52 PM

Hi, New user here, long time FPS enthusiast who recently got OOTP4... I am very impressed.... : )
....

I'm attempting to play a custom/historical league from 1901 to the present with OOTP4 based on the Lehman database, year by year. I'm sure I'm not the first to do this....

Any input from veteran OOTPers on the following aspects of dead-ball era play?

- What do you have the era settings on for deadball? Are the game's default's good enough or are there better tweaks that people have come up with? I played a 1902 season just to try it out and Buck Freeman ended up leading the league with 28 homers... seemed a little bit high...

- how do you get the salary system to mimic the era best, at least in terms of contract values...? I currently have all my cities with markets ranging from TINY to AVERAGE, hoping to keep attendance down. I Also might make the stadium capacities pretty low... what do you think, will this work?

I'm just looking for any pointers you might have as i start the first season.... so anything you have to offer is appreciated.
Thanks...

-Max

Tiger Fan · 04-07-2002, 02:51 PM

Just working on my settings for 1901. I will post them later tonight after I run a few more test sims.

Max Venerable · 04-07-2002, 03:15 PM

cool.. thanks, what timing!
sorry about the multiple posts befor... my computer does strange things sometimes

Tiger Fan · 04-07-2002, 05:48 PM

Just running one or two more sims to fine tune my settings but while they run here are my thoughts on your other questions. First off, welcome to the OOTP community. You will love this game.

ERA MANAGER - For 1901 to 1903 leave it at a 3 man rotation but for 1904 on I suggest putting it to a 4 man rotation for at least a good portion of the year since most teams used 4 starters pretty consistantly.

Stolen Bases = Since caught stealing data is not available in this era you will have too many stolen bases. The easy solution is to go to each team's team setup menu and change the stolen base tendancy to Not Often. This will work fairly well.

SALARY SYSTEM - Unfortunately you are stuck dealing with 2002 dollars. Do not lower your stadium capacity to turn of the century numbers. Leave capacity in the normal modern day settings otherwise teams will run into revenue problems. I just mentally drop 3 or 4 zero's so in my mind a 10 million dollar contact is actually 10,000.

With regard to stadiums I personally do not use the real stadium effects. Instead I make two parks - one for each league. This allows me to further customize the stats between leagues to get the desired results. For example in 1901 the American League as a whole batted .277 while the National League batted .267. I compromise and try for a .270 total average with the league settings but then I change the American League Park effects to roughly 105 for batting average for both left and right handed hitters and lower the National League park effect to 95. This will allow each leagues numbers to be closer to real life totals.

[ 04-07-2002: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]

BasicGuy · 04-07-2002, 05:59 PM

TigersFan are you planing on replying the whole history agian with OOTP4?

Either way just wanted to say I enjoyed your posts from V3.

Tiger Fan · 04-07-2002, 06:14 PM

Glad you enjoyed the HOB. I will be replaying from 1901-2002 with my HOB2 but likely wont start for a month or two. I want to finish photosets for the 8 decades I planned on doing.

BasicGuy · 04-07-2002, 06:25 PM

Glad to hear you'll once agian be reply history.

And also thanks for the photosets. I just hope everyone relizes how much time it really takes for you to make these sets. Its not as simple as some think. I just tried to find a some pictures for some of the bigger name players In a 77 reply I was playing and It took me some time.

While I'm not a Tiger's Fan.....I'm most Defiantly a fan of Tiger Fan.

Tiger Fan · 04-07-2002, 06:44 PM

I probably spend too much time on the sets. It has become an obession trying to get a photo of every player. Can't tell you how excited I was last night when I found Greg Shanahan (22 career innings pitched) and Duke Simpson (45 innings all for the 1953 Cubs). I presently have 13,112 baseball player images on my cpu. Many are the same player in different shots but I bet I have close to 7000 different players photos.

I have also found some great photos from the first half century and the sets I release for those eras should be extremely detailed.

Anyway, to the task at hand.

Here are some decent settings to use for a league created in 1901. I could probably fine tune the strikeouts and doubles a little bit more but it is getting late.

<pre>
1901 League totals
AB 100000
Hits 24500
2B 3900
3B 1050
HR 905
BB 8300
HBP 830
K 6650
</pre>

Using the generic historical park (100 setting across the board) for all teams I got pretty accurate results. I made a 140 game schedule since teams played between 133-140 games that year.
I made one player rating adjustment. Nap Lajoie was imported hitting far too many homers so I changed his HR ratings to 3 overall,vs LHp and vs RHP.

In my league import I choose to base ratings on remaing career and did not use generic splits. To get similiar results you should do the same. I talk about the splits in my Historical Tutorial but my theory is not to do them because it unfairly favours lefthanded batters and artifically improves them in the game.

I set my era manager to Deadball and kept it at a 3 man rotation. Here are my AL and NL stats compared to real life:
<pre>
AMERICAN LEAGUE HR 3b 2B AVG BB K
1901 Sim Reuslts 229 738 1649 .286 2799 2559
REAL Life 1901 228 688 1534 .277 2780 2736

NATIONAL LEAGUE HR 3b 2B AVG BB K
1901 Sim Results 218 596 1448 .266 2589 3472
REAL Life 1901 NL 227 550 1397 .267 2685 4241
</pre>

Individual Leader stats will follow

Tiger Fan · 04-07-2002, 07:25 PM

Here are the individual leaders from my test using the above mentioned settings. My stolen bases are too high because I forgot to change all teams tendancies before this run.
Overall not bad results for no player editing aside from Nap Lajoie's homers as mentioned above.

<pre>

AMERICAN LEAGUE Individual Leaders
BATTING
REAL LIFE 1901 TEST SIM
.426 Lajoie .432 Lajoie
.340 Donlin .367 Collins
.339 Freeman .344 Keister

HOME RUNS
14 Lajoie 11 Grady
12 Freeman 11 Davis
9 Grady 10 Freeman

Doubles
48 Lajoie 44 Anderson
46 Anderson 42 Cross
42 Collins 41 Collins

Triples
21 Keister 26 Keister
21 Williams 23 McGraw
17 Mertes 20 Duffy

SB
52 Isbell 57 Barrett
46 Mertes 51 Hoy
38 Jones 49 Jones

PITCHING
ERA
1.62 Young 2.40 Griffith
2.42 Callahan 2.48 Callahan
2.61 Yeager 2.78 Young

Wins
33 Young 31 Young
26 McGinnity 27 Wiltse
24 Griffith 25 McGinnity

Strikeouts
158 Young 145 Young
127 patterson 137 Garvin
124 Dowling 132 Patten

NATIONAL LEAGUE
BATTING
REAL LIFE 1901 TEST SIM
.376 Burkett .382 Delahanty
.354 Delahanty .375 Flick
.354 Sheckard .353 Kelly

HOME RUNS
16 Crawford 13 Crawford
11 Sheckard 13 Delahanty
10 Burkett 10 Davis

DOUBLES
38 Daly 51 Jennings
38 Delahanty 45 Delahanty
37 Wagner 38 Donovan

TRIPLES
19 Sheckard 21 McCreery
17 Flick 21 Hartsell
16 4 players 21 Davis

STOLEN BASES
49 Wagner 56 Vanhaltren
41 Hartsel 54 Davis
40 Strang 53 Demontreville

ERA
2.18 Tannehill 2.00 Phillippe
2.22 Phillippe 2.21 Poole
2.27 Orth 2.36 Orth

WINS
25 Donovan 31 Phillippe
23 Harper 26 Harper
22 Hahn/Phillippe 26 Powell

STRIKEOUTS
239 Hahn 227 Hahn
226 Donovan 166 Waddell
225 Hughes 143 Nichols

sianews · 04-08-2002, 04:49 AM

I thought the era setting alone would give you accurate stats for that time period? The only thing "deadball" abaout the deadball setting I'm seeing is the 3 man rotation - I always end up with 40, 50, and even 60 homeruns per season.

In any case, looks like I'm starting over. Does anyone have rough league total numbers I should use for the rest of the eras?

Scott Vibert · 04-08-2002, 04:57 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sianews:
I thought the era setting alone would give you accurate stats for that time period? The only thing "deadball" abaout the deadball setting I'm seeing is the 3 man rotation - I always end up with 40, 50, and even 60 homeruns per season.

In any case, looks like I'm starting over. Does anyone have rough league total numbers I should use for the rest of the eras?<hr /></blockquote>What kind of players are you using? If you are using fictionally generated players... than you won't get these kind of results... the players when generated by the computer don't have ratings consistent with the Dead Ball ERA players (they import with HR ratings 3 or less, its rare to have a AVG rating greater than 6 for batters, while Pitchers typically have 7's and ups for all ratings excepting K's and BB). Generated Fictional Players will have pitchers too bad and hitters too good for this era.

sianews · 04-08-2002, 11:08 AM

Thats my problem then

. Is there no way to play a fictional historic league?

Also, I took it from the manual that the era setting would modify the stats to a degress. Is this true?

Modern Relic · 04-08-2002, 11:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sianews:
[QB]Thats my problem then

. Is there no way to play a fictional historic league?QB]<hr /></blockquote>Good question. I've been fooling around trying to get a fictional deadball league myself, but it's not been going well.

It sounds like any fictional leagues should begin post 1920, yes?

[ 04-08-2002, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: Modern Relic ]

Night2000 · 04-08-2002, 12:33 PM

Tiger Fan great job on your 1901 re-play!
I would say you got pretty accurate results.
Looking forward to more of your season re-play tests.

Max Venerable · 04-08-2002, 07:06 PM

Cool, thanks Tiger Fan....
those settings will be a big help im sure.... I guess they should be good up until about 1920 or so, right? the onslaught of babe ruth and all...

-Max

Tiger Fan · 04-09-2002, 12:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Max Venerable:
Cool, thanks Tiger Fan....
those settings will be a big help im sure.... I guess they should be good up until about 1920 or so, right? the onslaught of babe ruth and all...

-Max<hr /></blockquote>Yes, they should give you fairly realistic stats until then. Just keep an eye on your results each season and if things start to get out of hand in any category you can make small adjustments to the settings. What I generally do is take 10 minutes at the end of each season and go to the league batting and pitching reports. I add up the number of homers, triples, doubles, walks, k's and batting average for my league and compare it to the real life numbers the following season. If there are some discrepancies over 5% I change my league settings slightly prior to starting the next season.

Things can develop differently in every league and injuries to a couple superstar pitchers could affect your league settings slightly as well. Speaking of pitchers remember to edit your era setting to a 4 man rotation starting in 1904 since most teams used 4 consistantly. The Giants stayed primarily with 3 starters until 1905 and the Highlanders (Yankees) used really just 2 starters consistantly. This change may increase your offensive stats a fair bit so you may have to tone the settings down a bit (by raising hits and/or homers on the league setup menu) since the 4th starters will see more action and they arent as good as your 1-3 starters generally.

The schedule jumped from 140 to 154 games in 1904, One final note if you are assigning rookies to their real teams you need to move Milwaukee to St Louis following 1901 and change the short name of the team to SLB (for Lahman 4.5). Following the 1902 season move the Baltimore franchise to New York and make sure the short name is NYY.

[ 04-09-2002, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]

Kevin · 04-09-2002, 02:16 AM

Tiger fan:

Doesn't the recalculate league totals give you the prior years sim totals? Then if you didn't like them, you could just re-enter your old settings. I think that wouldsave doing all the adding.

Tiger Fan · 04-09-2002, 02:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kevin:
Tiger fan:

Doesn't the recalculate league totals give you the prior years sim totals? Then if you didn't like them, you could just re-enter your old settings. I think that wouldsave doing all the adding.<hr /></blockquote>The thing I dont like about the recalculate is the huge swings you get. I havent tested it with OOTP4 but with OOTP3 if you were to recalculate after 1901 your home runs would go through the roof (relatively speaking - they wont be 2002 levels but far too high for 1902). I have found for me the easiest way to get realistic settings each season is simply get your first season perfect and then make small changes each season.

I also like to know the difference between my AL and NL totals since I use the ballparks to help me mimic the stats difference between the two leagues.

Different ideas may work for others but I have found this system to work ideally for me. BTW, I believe IatricSB's era calculator does close to the same thing I do manually. I just prefer to do it on my own so for those who cant be bothered adding stats up manually I suggest using the era calculator. It is a far better solution than hitting recalculate.

[ 04-09-2002, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]

Desert Dweller · 04-09-2002, 11:29 AM

Hey Tigerfan,
I am doing my history of baseball from 1901, drafting rookies. I am managing the Browns. I noticed that Ned Garvin was on your league leaders for 1901. This guy in my sim is going to be a hall of famer. I'm currently in 1909, and he is in the top 5 career in wins, K's, and ERA. I also drafted a 18 year old Native American named Chief Bender, who is definitely living up to his real-life numbers. I've also got a young Frank Baker and Joe Jackson, before they got their much more famous nicknames. They are still in the minors, but I hope they will soon turn my struggling team around.

Man I love this game!

Tiger Fan · 04-09-2002, 11:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Desert Dweller:
 Man I love this game!

<hr /></blockquote>Tell me about it. My History of Baseball Replay from 1901-2000 was the most fun I had with any computer game ever. I have posted this numerous times before but the HOB's history became more real to me than real life.

Plus it drove me to learn more about the players of those era's, the Ned Garvin's and Chief Benders.

Good luck with your Browns career. Post some updates on the Dynasty forum when you get a chance.

04-07-2002, 01:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Max Venerable Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 110	Dead Ball Era Settings Hi, New user here, long time FPS enthusiast who recently got OOTP4... I am very impressed.... : ) .... I'm attempting to play a custom/historical league from 1901 to the present with OOTP4 based on the Lehman database, year by year. I'm sure I'm not the first to do this.... Any input from veteran OOTPers on the following aspects of dead-ball era play? - What do you have the era settings on for deadball? Are the game's default's good enough or are there better tweaks that people have come up with? I played a 1902 season just to try it out and Buck Freeman ended up leading the league with 28 homers... seemed a little bit high... - how do you get the salary system to mimic the era best, at least in terms of contract values...? I currently have all my cities with markets ranging from TINY to AVERAGE, hoping to keep attendance down. I Also might make the stadium capacities pretty low... what do you think, will this work? I'm just looking for any pointers you might have as i start the first season.... so anything you have to offer is appreciated. Thanks... -Max __________________ * * * The NEBA, an now defunkt solo league - "It's Turtles all the way Down."

04-07-2002, 02:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Just working on my settings for 1901. I will post them later tonight after I run a few more test sims. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-07-2002, 03:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Max Venerable Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 110	cool.. thanks, what timing! sorry about the multiple posts befor... my computer does strange things sometimes __________________ * * * The NEBA, an now defunkt solo league - "It's Turtles all the way Down."

04-07-2002, 05:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Just running one or two more sims to fine tune my settings but while they run here are my thoughts on your other questions. First off, welcome to the OOTP community. You will love this game. ERA MANAGER - For 1901 to 1903 leave it at a 3 man rotation but for 1904 on I suggest putting it to a 4 man rotation for at least a good portion of the year since most teams used 4 starters pretty consistantly. Stolen Bases = Since caught stealing data is not available in this era you will have too many stolen bases. The easy solution is to go to each team's team setup menu and change the stolen base tendancy to Not Often. This will work fairly well. SALARY SYSTEM - Unfortunately you are stuck dealing with 2002 dollars. Do not lower your stadium capacity to turn of the century numbers. Leave capacity in the normal modern day settings otherwise teams will run into revenue problems. I just mentally drop 3 or 4 zero's so in my mind a 10 million dollar contact is actually 10,000. With regard to stadiums I personally do not use the real stadium effects. Instead I make two parks - one for each league. This allows me to further customize the stats between leagues to get the desired results. For example in 1901 the American League as a whole batted .277 while the National League batted .267. I compromise and try for a .270 total average with the league settings but then I change the American League Park effects to roughly 105 for batting average for both left and right handed hitters and lower the National League park effect to 95. This will allow each leagues numbers to be closer to real life totals. [ 04-07-2002: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]</p> __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-07-2002, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Glad you enjoyed the HOB. I will be replaying from 1901-2002 with my HOB2 but likely wont start for a month or two. I want to finish photosets for the 8 decades I planned on doing. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-07-2002, 05:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 476	TigersFan are you planing on replying the whole history agian with OOTP4? Either way just wanted to say I enjoyed your posts from V3.

04-07-2002, 06:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 476	Glad to hear you'll once agian be reply history. And also thanks for the photosets. I just hope everyone relizes how much time it really takes for you to make these sets. Its not as simple as some think. I just tried to find a some pictures for some of the bigger name players In a 77 reply I was playing and It took me some time. While I'm not a Tiger's Fan.....I'm most Defiantly a fan of Tiger Fan.

04-07-2002, 06:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	I probably spend too much time on the sets. It has become an obession trying to get a photo of every player. Can't tell you how excited I was last night when I found Greg Shanahan (22 career innings pitched) and Duke Simpson (45 innings all for the 1953 Cubs). I presently have 13,112 baseball player images on my cpu. Many are the same player in different shots but I bet I have close to 7000 different players photos. I have also found some great photos from the first half century and the sets I release for those eras should be extremely detailed. Anyway, to the task at hand. Here are some decent settings to use for a league created in 1901. I could probably fine tune the strikeouts and doubles a little bit more but it is getting late. <pre><font size="2"> 1901 League totals AB 100000 Hits 24500 2B 3900 3B 1050 HR 905 BB 8300 HBP 830 K 6650 </pre></font> Using the generic historical park (100 setting across the board) for all teams I got pretty accurate results. I made a 140 game schedule since teams played between 133-140 games that year. I made one player rating adjustment. Nap Lajoie was imported hitting far too many homers so I changed his HR ratings to 3 overall,vs LHp and vs RHP. In my league import I choose to base ratings on remaing career and did not use generic splits. To get similiar results you should do the same. I talk about the splits in my Historical Tutorial but my theory is not to do them because it unfairly favours lefthanded batters and artifically improves them in the game. I set my era manager to Deadball and kept it at a 3 man rotation. Here are my AL and NL stats compared to real life: <pre><font size="2"> AMERICAN LEAGUE HR 3b 2B AVG BB K 1901 Sim Reuslts 229 738 1649 .286 2799 2559 REAL Life 1901 228 688 1534 .277 2780 2736 NATIONAL LEAGUE HR 3b 2B AVG BB K 1901 Sim Results 218 596 1448 .266 2589 3472 REAL Life 1901 NL 227 550 1397 .267 2685 4241 </font></pre> Individual Leader stats will follow __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-07-2002, 07:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Here are the individual leaders from my test using the above mentioned settings. My stolen bases are too high because I forgot to change all teams tendancies before this run. Overall not bad results for no player editing aside from Nap Lajoie's homers as mentioned above. <pre><font size="2"> AMERICAN LEAGUE Individual Leaders BATTING REAL LIFE 1901 TEST SIM .426 Lajoie .432 Lajoie .340 Donlin .367 Collins .339 Freeman .344 Keister HOME RUNS 14 Lajoie 11 Grady 12 Freeman 11 Davis 9 Grady 10 Freeman Doubles 48 Lajoie 44 Anderson 46 Anderson 42 Cross 42 Collins 41 Collins Triples 21 Keister 26 Keister 21 Williams 23 McGraw 17 Mertes 20 Duffy SB 52 Isbell 57 Barrett 46 Mertes 51 Hoy 38 Jones 49 Jones PITCHING ERA 1.62 Young 2.40 Griffith 2.42 Callahan 2.48 Callahan 2.61 Yeager 2.78 Young Wins 33 Young 31 Young 26 McGinnity 27 Wiltse 24 Griffith 25 McGinnity Strikeouts 158 Young 145 Young 127 patterson 137 Garvin 124 Dowling 132 Patten NATIONAL LEAGUE BATTING REAL LIFE 1901 TEST SIM .376 Burkett .382 Delahanty .354 Delahanty .375 Flick .354 Sheckard .353 Kelly HOME RUNS 16 Crawford 13 Crawford 11 Sheckard 13 Delahanty 10 Burkett 10 Davis DOUBLES 38 Daly 51 Jennings 38 Delahanty 45 Delahanty 37 Wagner 38 Donovan TRIPLES 19 Sheckard 21 McCreery 17 Flick 21 Hartsell 16 4 players 21 Davis STOLEN BASES 49 Wagner 56 Vanhaltren 41 Hartsel 54 Davis 40 Strang 53 Demontreville ERA 2.18 Tannehill 2.00 Phillippe 2.22 Phillippe 2.21 Poole 2.27 Orth 2.36 Orth WINS 25 Donovan 31 Phillippe 23 Harper 26 Harper 22 Hahn/Phillippe 26 Powell STRIKEOUTS 239 Hahn 227 Hahn 226 Donovan 166 Waddell 225 Hughes 143 Nichols __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-08-2002, 04:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
sianews Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 77	I thought the era setting alone would give you accurate stats for that time period? The only thing "deadball" abaout the deadball setting I'm seeing is the 3 man rotation - I always end up with 40, 50, and even 60 homeruns per season. In any case, looks like I'm starting over. Does anyone have rough league total numbers I should use for the rest of the eras?

04-08-2002, 04:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,438 Thanked 16x in 11 posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by sianews: <strong>I thought the era setting alone would give you accurate stats for that time period? The only thing "deadball" abaout the deadball setting I'm seeing is the 3 man rotation - I always end up with 40, 50, and even 60 homeruns per season. In any case, looks like I'm starting over. Does anyone have rough league total numbers I should use for the rest of the eras?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What kind of players are you using? If you are using fictionally generated players... than you won't get these kind of results... the players when generated by the computer don't have ratings consistent with the Dead Ball ERA players (they import with HR ratings 3 or less, its rare to have a AVG rating greater than 6 for batters, while Pitchers typically have 7's and ups for all ratings excepting K's and BB). Generated Fictional Players will have pitchers too bad and hitters too good for this era.

04-08-2002, 11:08 AM	#12 (permalink)
sianews Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 77	Thats my problem then . Is there no way to play a fictional historic league? Also, I took it from the manual that the era setting would modify the stats to a degress. Is this true?

04-08-2002, 11:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,267 Thanked 1x in 1 post	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by sianews: [QB]Thats my problem then . Is there no way to play a fictional historic league?QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good question. I've been fooling around trying to get a fictional deadball league myself, but it's not been going well. It sounds like any fictional leagues should begin post 1920, yes? <small>[ 04-08-2002, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: Modern Relic ]</small> __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) The Modern Relics - Phonograph Quality Rock and Roll! "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

04-08-2002, 12:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
Night2000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Monroe, NJ Posts: 717	Tiger Fan great job on your 1901 re-play! I would say you got pretty accurate results. Looking forward to more of your season re-play tests. __________________ http://night2000.blogspot.com/ This post has the Al Bundy and Homer Simpson stamp of approval!

04-08-2002, 07:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Max Venerable Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 110	Cool, thanks Tiger Fan.... those settings will be a big help im sure.... I guess they should be good up until about 1920 or so, right? the onslaught of babe ruth and all... -Max __________________ * * * The NEBA, an now defunkt solo league - "It's Turtles all the way Down."

04-09-2002, 12:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Max Venerable: <strong>Cool, thanks Tiger Fan.... those settings will be a big help im sure.... I guess they should be good up until about 1920 or so, right? the onslaught of babe ruth and all... -Max</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, they should give you fairly realistic stats until then. Just keep an eye on your results each season and if things start to get out of hand in any category you can make small adjustments to the settings. What I generally do is take 10 minutes at the end of each season and go to the league batting and pitching reports. I add up the number of homers, triples, doubles, walks, k's and batting average for my league and compare it to the real life numbers the following season. If there are some discrepancies over 5% I change my league settings slightly prior to starting the next season. Things can develop differently in every league and injuries to a couple superstar pitchers could affect your league settings slightly as well. Speaking of pitchers remember to edit your era setting to a 4 man rotation starting in 1904 since most teams used 4 consistantly. The Giants stayed primarily with 3 starters until 1905 and the Highlanders (Yankees) used really just 2 starters consistantly. This change may increase your offensive stats a fair bit so you may have to tone the settings down a bit (by raising hits and/or homers on the league setup menu) since the 4th starters will see more action and they arent as good as your 1-3 starters generally. The schedule jumped from 140 to 154 games in 1904, One final note if you are assigning rookies to their real teams you need to move Milwaukee to St Louis following 1901 and change the short name of the team to SLB (for Lahman 4.5). Following the 1902 season move the Baltimore franchise to New York and make sure the short name is NYY. <small>[ 04-09-2002, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]</small> __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-09-2002, 02:16 AM	#17 (permalink)
Kevin Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 474	Tiger fan: Doesn't the recalculate league totals give you the prior years sim totals? Then if you didn't like them, you could just re-enter your old settings. I think that wouldsave doing all the adding. __________________ It seems more like today than it did all day yesterday.

04-09-2002, 02:26 AM	#18 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Kevin: <strong>Tiger fan: Doesn't the recalculate league totals give you the prior years sim totals? Then if you didn't like them, you could just re-enter your old settings. I think that wouldsave doing all the adding.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The thing I dont like about the recalculate is the huge swings you get. I havent tested it with OOTP4 but with OOTP3 if you were to recalculate after 1901 your home runs would go through the roof (relatively speaking - they wont be 2002 levels but far too high for 1902). I have found for me the easiest way to get realistic settings each season is simply get your first season perfect and then make small changes each season. I also like to know the difference between my AL and NL totals since I use the ballparks to help me mimic the stats difference between the two leagues. Different ideas may work for others but I have found this system to work ideally for me. BTW, I believe IatricSB's era calculator does close to the same thing I do manually. I just prefer to do it on my own so for those who cant be bothered adding stats up manually I suggest using the era calculator. It is a far better solution than hitting recalculate. <small>[ 04-09-2002, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: Tiger Fan ]</small> __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

04-09-2002, 11:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
Desert Dweller Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 54	Hey Tigerfan, I am doing my history of baseball from 1901, drafting rookies. I am managing the Browns. I noticed that Ned Garvin was on your league leaders for 1901. This guy in my sim is going to be a hall of famer. I'm currently in 1909, and he is in the top 5 career in wins, K's, and ERA. I also drafted a 18 year old Native American named Chief Bender, who is definitely living up to his real-life numbers. I've also got a young Frank Baker and Joe Jackson, before they got their much more famous nicknames. They are still in the minors, but I hope they will soon turn my struggling team around. Man I love this game!

04-09-2002, 11:42 AM	#20 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,441 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Desert Dweller: <strong> Man I love this game! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Tell me about it. My History of Baseball Replay from 1901-2000 was the most fun I had with any computer game ever. I have posted this numerous times before but the HOB's history became more real to me than real life. Plus it drove me to learn more about the players of those era's, the Ned Garvin's and Chief Benders. Good luck with your Browns career. Post some updates on the Dynasty forum when you get a chance. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

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