Home Field Advantage? - Page 2

Hoiles · 04-21-2004, 04:36 PM

Finally home field advantage implemented, good job Markus. It`s hard to determine why teams perform better at home (could be the crowd, could be knowledge the ballpark, could be just the comfort of staying at home). Bottom line - there is one in real life, so there should be one in the game. And it is important, not so much during the regular season, more so in the playoffs where that home-field advantage in Game 5 or 7 can play a role.

acs1970 · 04-21-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Did you download and install the patch?

DOH!!

Ktulu · 04-21-2004, 04:40 PM

Cool, glad to see this implemeneted, although I wonder how it is implemented.

A slight range/fielding advantage for outfielders in their home park?
Slight ratings boost to home team players?
Less fatigue when you are on a homestand?

William4192 · 04-21-2004, 04:41 PM

Awesome!

Jason · 04-21-2004, 04:43 PM

Because of NDA, I don't think we can give details. I will say this: in the test sims that were run that I've had access to, the splits for home vs. away records look a lot more like MLB than in the past.

highandoutside · 04-21-2004, 04:44 PM

hmmm, not sure what to do with this option..suppose I'll wait for others to decide.

gordyhulten · 04-21-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dale And Eli's Dad
Because of NDA, I don't think we can give details. I will say this: in the test sims that were run that I've had access to, the splits for home vs. away records look a lot more like MLB than in the past.

That's fine with me. BTW, this hopefully will (hopefully) reduce the glut of 85-77 teams beating 102-60 teams in the playoffs.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-21-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Dale And Eli's Dad
Because of NDA, I don't think we can give details. I will say this: in the test sims that were run that I've had access to, the splits for home vs. away records look a lot more like MLB than in the past.

Hmm, I'm a bit disappointed that how it works will remain hidden by NDA, I was hoping for an implementation that would allow the user ability to customize its effects and that would require us to have some knowledge as to how it works.

kserra · 04-21-2004, 04:47 PM

markus or steve, can you spell out exactly how this works? How is the advantage calculated? thanks

PineTar · 04-21-2004, 05:00 PM

A study of home field advantage can be found in The Diamond Appraised

Sweed · 04-21-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Dale And Eli's Dad
Because of NDA, I don't think we can give details. I will say this: in the test sims that were run that I've had access to, the splits for home vs. away records look a lot more like MLB than in the past.

I'm glad to see this in the game. I can't say I want to know how it works at all. Sometimes knowing these things at least IMHO takes away from the illusion of reality the game is trying to create. After all I don't think anyone IRL can really tell you why the home team has an advantage, they can only give you theories. It will be enough for me to see the records looking more like MLB.

The coolest thing to me will be heading back to Wrigley after the west coast swing where we struggled and knowing that 9 game homestand coming up will really mean something.

Pete Grassi · 04-21-2004, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by gordyhulten
That's fine with me. BTW, this hopefully will (hopefully) reduce the glut of 85-77 teams beating 102-60 teams in the playoffs.

Because things like this never happen in real life. See any team that has beaten the Yanks in the last 3 years.

Jason · 04-21-2004, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Hmm, I'm a bit disappointed that how it works will remain hidden by NDA, I was hoping for an implementation that would allow the user ability to customize its effects and that would require us to have some knowledge as to how it works.

Markus or Steve might be able to release the info but the beta guys can't.

gordyhulten · 04-21-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Pete Grassi
Because things like this never happen in real life. See any team that has beaten the Yanks in the last 3 years.

Now, that's not what I was saying, and you know it. And I'm a Giants fan, so I know all about it.

But the problem with OOTP5 (and 6.0) was that it was happening way too often. In just one small example, the online league in my signature has never had a champion with the best overall record. It's become a running joke (the DDB Jinx), with teams actively trying to avoid ending the season with the best record.

While there should be some instances of lesser teams beating better teams in the postseason, it shouldn't happen as often as it has, and I hope home field advantage will take care of it.

jbmagic · 04-21-2004, 05:34 PM

Dale And Eli's Dad

skydog is a beta guy and he has been testing the game and posting in this forum

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...8&page=9&pp=50

its page 9 now...u can go back to previous pages.....

i think it oks for beta guys to talk , the gameis out now

NoxiousDog · 04-21-2004, 05:52 PM

Skydog isn't a beta guy. He is a previewer and isn't bound by the NDA.

rdklein · 04-21-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by spleen1015
I know how it is implemented, but I don't think I should say anything about that due to NDA.

I don't think it is a negative in any way. I plan to use it when I am simming, if that helps.

That's good enough for me. I'm using it.

JPWagner · 04-21-2004, 06:30 PM

I hope the Computer Teams have home field advantage too when you are playing away games.....when you stop to think about, wins and loses affected by this home field advantage modifier should basically be a wash as you would lose some extra away games as well.... it would not be very realistic if it only benefited the player's home games but not the AI's....I probably will leave this option off for now until more is learned about it.....

Eugene Church · 04-21-2004, 06:56 PM

Thank you Markus.

It is great news that Home Field Advantage has been put into the game.

Here are some very convincing stats for the unconvinced:

Le Grande Orange did this excellent research:

This first chart takes a look at each team's home and away record for the season, and makes a simple count of whether the team did better at home, better away, or was the same at both. The numbers cover the period from 1901 to 2002:

National League 82.93%
American League 83.33%
TOTAL 83.13%--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So, as you can see, slightly over 83% of the major league teams have finished the season with a better home winning percentage than road winning percentage. That's more that 4 out of 5 teams, covering 102 seasons.

Another chart in the thread shows the home team won 55% of the time.

MJohnson · 04-21-2004, 07:03 PM

Going to run a test league to see what happens, will update by the end of the night

04-21-2004, 04:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
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Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 3,357 Blog Entries: 3 Thanked 46x in 40 posts	Because of NDA, I don't think we can give details. I will say this: in the test sims that were run that I've had access to, the splits for home vs. away records look a lot more like MLB than in the past. __________________ "You know we just don't recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, well, there'll be other days. I didn't realize that that was the only day." - Moonlight Graham

04-21-2004, 05:00 PM	#30 (permalink)
PineTar Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 154 Thanked 1x in 1 post	A study of home field advantage can be found in The Diamond Appraised __________________

04-21-2004, 06:30 PM	#38 (permalink)
JPWagner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 200	I hope the Computer Teams have home field advantage too when you are playing away games.....when you stop to think about, wins and loses affected by this home field advantage modifier should basically be a wash as you would lose some extra away games as well.... it would not be very realistic if it only benefited the player's home games but not the AI's....I probably will leave this option off for now until more is learned about it..... __________________ Formerly J P Falcon....changing screen names is what happens when you do not write down your password, forget it, and then change your email address! Last edited by JPWagner; 04-21-2004 at 06:34 PM.

04-21-2004, 04:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
Hoiles Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada Posts: 147 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Finally home field advantage implemented, good job Markus. It`s hard to determine why teams perform better at home (could be the crowd, could be knowledge the ballpark, could be just the comfort of staying at home). Bottom line - there is one in real life, so there should be one in the game. And it is important, not so much during the regular season, more so in the playoffs where that home-field advantage in Game 5 or 7 can play a role.

04-21-2004, 04:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
highandoutside Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 373 Thanked 18x in 14 posts	hmmm, not sure what to do with this option..suppose I'll wait for others to decide.

04-21-2004, 04:47 PM	#29 (permalink)
kserra Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 91	markus or steve, can you spell out exactly how this works? How is the advantage calculated? thanks

04-21-2004, 05:34 PM	#35 (permalink)
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,407	Dale And Eli's Dad skydog is a beta guy and he has been testing the game and posting in this forum http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...8&page=9&pp=50 its page 9 now...u can go back to previous pages..... i think it oks for beta guys to talk , the gameis out now

04-21-2004, 05:52 PM	#36 (permalink)
NoxiousDog Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 92	Skydog isn't a beta guy. He is a previewer and isn't bound by the NDA.

04-21-2004, 06:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,947 Thanked 96x in 50 posts	Thank you Markus. It is great news that Home Field Advantage has been put into the game. Here are some very convincing stats for the unconvinced: Le Grande Orange did this excellent research: This first chart takes a look at each team's home and away record for the season, and makes a simple count of whether the team did better at home, better away, or was the same at both. The numbers cover the period from 1901 to 2002: National League 82.93% American League 83.33% TOTAL 83.13%-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, as you can see, slightly over 83% of the major league teams have finished the season with a better home winning percentage than road winning percentage. That's more that 4 out of 5 teams, covering 102 seasons. Another chart in the thread shows the home team won 55% of the time.

04-21-2004, 07:03 PM	#40 (permalink)
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	Going to run a test league to see what happens, will update by the end of the night

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