Hitting Streaks

Linenoise · 04-08-2002, 12:21 PM

At the end of my fictional leagues 1956 season I had a player with a 38 game hitting streak. I was worried that when I started the next season that the streak would not still be in place.

When I started the next season and the streak was still listed I was YET AGAIN impresed with the depth that the makers of this game have given it.

Kudos to the developers for keeping little things like this in mind

That being said, I'd like to know how long of hitting streaks other leagues of had.

As for my 38 game hitting streak. It lasted another two games, ending at a League Record 40-game hitting streak.

Hammer755 · 04-08-2002, 12:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Linenoise:
At the end of my fictional leagues 1956 season I had a player with a 38 game hitting streak. I was worried that when I started the next season that the streak would not still be in place.

When I started the next season and the streak was still listed I was YET AGAIN impresed with the depth that the makers of this game have given it.

Kudos to the developers for keeping little things like this in mind

That being said, I'd like to know how long of hitting streaks other leagues of had.

As for my 38 game hitting streak. It lasted another two games, ending at a League Record 40-game hitting streak.<hr /></blockquote>If the game did this, it is an error

. Hitting streaks do not officially carry over from one season to the next.

davep1967 · 04-08-2002, 12:45 PM

If you are saying that the streak continues into the following season, then that is actually wrong as the offical definition of a hitting streak relates to one season only.

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2002, 03:41 PM

hmmmm, Hershiser's scoreless inning streak would have carried over to a new season. why wouldn't a hitting streak carry over.

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2002, 09:29 PM

bueller...bueller...bueller...

JML · 04-08-2002, 09:47 PM

Some reliever has an 8 game winning streak right now that carried over from last season. I heard a guy on TV say so, so it's obviously true. If it's an official rule that hitting streaks don't carry over, then that both sucks and blows, if such a paradox is possible.

If a guy gets a pinch hit on April 1st, then his wife beats the tar out of him and he's laid up in the hospital for six months, and he comes back and gets a pinch hit on Sept. 31st, that's a hitting streak. But a streak that is postponed for the other six months of the year is not a streak? Lame-o...

bigphesta · 04-08-2002, 09:48 PM

According to the official MLB rules, the hitter's streak is not effected by the teams games, only in games the player actually plays in : "The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games." Based on this, there is no mention of it NOT carrying over, therefor, I do not see why it wouldn't carry over from one season to another.

Ksyrup · 04-09-2002, 06:33 AM

Agreed.

Here is the entire rule that is taken from:

GUIDELINES FOR CUMULATIVE PERFORMANCE RECORDS
10.24
CONSECUTIVE HITTING STREAKS. (a) A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak. (b) CONSECUTIVE GAME HITTING STREAKS. A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games. (c) CONSECUTIVE PLAYING STREAK. A consecutive game playing streak shall be extended if the player plays one half inning on defense, or if he completes a time at bat by reaching base or being put out. A pinch running appearance only shall not extend the streak. If a player is ejected from a game by an umpire before he can comply with the requirements of this rule, his streak shall continue. (d) SUSPENDED GAMES. For the purpose of this rule, all performances in the completion of a suspended game shall be considered as occurring on the original date of the game.

While the rule does not mention anything about season-to-season carryover, if you notice, the rule also addresses consecutive game playing streaks. If this rule intended to end all hitting streaks at the end of the current season, then, by extension, Cal Ripken's longest consecutive game playing streak could never have been longer than 162 (or 163 or 164?) games.

Hammer755 · 04-09-2002, 06:48 AM

We're all right

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After a bit of research, I discovered that Elias Sports Bureau keeps 2 different hitting streak records, 'Most Games, Consecutive, 1+ Hits, Season', and 'Most Games, Consecutive, 1+ Hits, Lifetime'. Hal Morris, then playing for the Reds, hit safely in the final 29 games of 1996, and at least the first 2 of 1997. Knowing this, I was able to track down <a href="http://enquirer.com/columns/sullivan/1997/04/040397_ts.html" target="_blank">this article</a> from the Cincinnati Enquirer.

LivnLegend · 04-09-2002, 07:55 AM

ksyrup and Hammer, thanks for the research. I didn't know the ruling myself.

Hammer755 · 04-09-2002, 09:16 AM

The belief that hitting streaks don't carry over to another season is held by most sources, including the Baseball Hall of Fame. In their <a href="http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/library/research_lists/hit_streaks.htm" target="_blank">Hitting Streak Research Page</a>, a list of every modern-day hit streak 30 games or longer is provided, and no mention is made of Morris' streak, which ended at the end of '96 at 29 games. Most other sources that I came across also listed Morris' streak 'officially' at 29 games.

[ 04-09-2002, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]

Shorty · 04-09-2002, 12:54 PM

Hal Morris, a poor man's Wade Boggs.

I was saddened when he went to the Tigers in I believe the middle of the 97 season, although I could be wrong.

joshuaaaaaa · 04-10-2002, 11:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shorty:
Hal Morris, a poor man's Wade Boggs.

I was saddened when he went to the Tigers in I believe the middle of the 97 season, although I could be wrong.<hr /></blockquote>You mean you weren't saddened?

Ksyrup · 04-10-2002, 12:42 PM

No, I think he meant he wasn't sure whether he was saddened about believing that Hal Morris might have gone to the Tigers in 1997.

Badger Fan · 04-11-2002, 09:10 AM

An interesting addition, from today's St. Paul Pioneer Press:

"Twins leadoff hitter Jacque Jones extended his hitting streak to a career-high nine games when he singled to start Wednesday's game. He has hit in 15 consecutive games, dating to last year, but official major league records don't recognize hitting streaks that carry from one season to the next."

Hmmmm

ThruBeingCool913 · 04-14-2002, 07:56 AM

Well, this all makes me glad I am running a fictional league... therefore, I am in control, and I make the rules, and I decree that hitting streaks can carry over from one season to the next! =o) Being in control RULES!

Hahaha.

Carplos · 04-14-2002, 05:07 PM

He went to the Royals in 98, then back to the Reds in 99 and was traded to the Tigers in 2000.

04-08-2002, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Linenoise Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 108 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Hitting Streaks At the end of my fictional leagues 1956 season I had a player with a 38 game hitting streak. I was worried that when I started the next season that the streak would not still be in place. When I started the next season and the streak was still listed I was YET AGAIN impresed with the depth that the makers of this game have given it. Kudos to the developers for keeping little things like this in mind That being said, I'd like to know how long of hitting streaks other leagues of had. As for my 38 game hitting streak. It lasted another two games, ending at a League Record 40-game hitting streak.

04-08-2002, 12:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Warnings: 11 Posts: 2,345	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Linenoise: <strong>At the end of my fictional leagues 1956 season I had a player with a 38 game hitting streak. I was worried that when I started the next season that the streak would not still be in place. When I started the next season and the streak was still listed I was YET AGAIN impresed with the depth that the makers of this game have given it. Kudos to the developers for keeping little things like this in mind That being said, I'd like to know how long of hitting streaks other leagues of had. As for my 38 game hitting streak. It lasted another two games, ending at a League Record 40-game hitting streak.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If the game did this, it is an error . Hitting streaks do not officially carry over from one season to the next. __________________

04-08-2002, 12:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
davep1967 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 176 Thanked 5x in 1 post	If you are saying that the streak continues into the following season, then that is actually wrong as the offical definition of a hitting streak relates to one season only. __________________ Try the StickWare Schedule Generator!

04-08-2002, 03:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,114	hmmmm, Hershiser's scoreless inning streak would have carried over to a new season. why wouldn't a hitting streak carry over. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-08-2002, 09:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,114	bueller...bueller...bueller... __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-08-2002, 09:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,156	Some reliever has an 8 game winning streak right now that carried over from last season. I heard a guy on TV say so, so it's obviously true. If it's an official rule that hitting streaks don't carry over, then that both sucks and blows, if such a paradox is possible. If a guy gets a pinch hit on April 1st, then his wife beats the tar out of him and he's laid up in the hospital for six months, and he comes back and gets a pinch hit on Sept. 31st, that's a hitting streak. But a streak that is postponed for the other six months of the year is not a streak? Lame-o...

04-08-2002, 09:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,367	According to the official MLB rules, the hitter's streak is not effected by the teams games, only in games the player actually plays in : "The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games." Based on this, there is no mention of it NOT carrying over, therefor, I do not see why it wouldn't carry over from one season to another.

04-09-2002, 06:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	Agreed. Here is the entire rule that is taken from: GUIDELINES FOR CUMULATIVE PERFORMANCE RECORDS 10.24 CONSECUTIVE HITTING STREAKS. (a) A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak. (b) CONSECUTIVE GAME HITTING STREAKS. A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games. (c) CONSECUTIVE PLAYING STREAK. A consecutive game playing streak shall be extended if the player plays one half inning on defense, or if he completes a time at bat by reaching base or being put out. A pinch running appearance only shall not extend the streak. If a player is ejected from a game by an umpire before he can comply with the requirements of this rule, his streak shall continue. (d) SUSPENDED GAMES. For the purpose of this rule, all performances in the completion of a suspended game shall be considered as occurring on the original date of the game. While the rule does not mention anything about season-to-season carryover, if you notice, the rule also addresses consecutive game playing streaks. If this rule intended to end all hitting streaks at the end of the current season, then, by extension, Cal Ripken's longest consecutive game playing streak could never have been longer than 162 (or 163 or 164?) games.

04-09-2002, 06:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Warnings: 11 Posts: 2,345	We're all right . After a bit of research, I discovered that Elias Sports Bureau keeps 2 different hitting streak records, 'Most Games, Consecutive, 1+ Hits, Season', and 'Most Games, Consecutive, 1+ Hits, Lifetime'. Hal Morris, then playing for the Reds, hit safely in the final 29 games of 1996, and at least the first 2 of 1997. Knowing this, I was able to track down <a href="http://enquirer.com/columns/sullivan/1997/04/040397_ts.html" target="_blank">this article</a> from the Cincinnati Enquirer. __________________

04-09-2002, 07:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hunters Ridge, CA Posts: 5,530 Thanked 1x in 1 post	ksyrup and Hammer, thanks for the research. I didn't know the ruling myself. __________________ 1977 Dodgers MLB Replay - A replay of the '77 Dodger season, managing each game individually Pastoral Baseball Union - An 1800's Dynasty I'm going back to where I started. I'm flashing back into my pan.

04-09-2002, 09:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Warnings: 11 Posts: 2,345	The belief that hitting streaks don't carry over to another season is held by most sources, including the Baseball Hall of Fame. In their <a href="http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/library/research_lists/hit_streaks.htm" target="_blank">Hitting Streak Research Page</a>, a list of every modern-day hit streak 30 games or longer is provided, and no mention is made of Morris' streak, which ended at the end of '96 at 29 games. Most other sources that I came across also listed Morris' streak 'officially' at 29 games. <small>[ 04-09-2002, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Hammer755 ]</small> __________________

04-09-2002, 12:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 993 Thanked 2x in 1 post	Hal Morris, a poor man's Wade Boggs. I was saddened when he went to the Tigers in I believe the middle of the 97 season, although I could be wrong. __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

04-10-2002, 11:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Shorty: <strong>Hal Morris, a poor man's Wade Boggs. I was saddened when he went to the Tigers in I believe the middle of the 97 season, although I could be wrong.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You mean you weren't saddened? __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

04-10-2002, 12:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	No, I think he meant he wasn't sure whether he was saddened about believing that Hal Morris might have gone to the Tigers in 1997.

04-11-2002, 09:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
Badger Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 11	An interesting addition, from today's St. Paul Pioneer Press: "Twins leadoff hitter Jacque Jones extended his hitting streak to a career-high nine games when he singled to start Wednesday's game. He has hit in 15 consecutive games, dating to last year, but official major league records don't recognize hitting streaks that carry from one season to the next." Hmmmm

04-14-2002, 07:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
ThruBeingCool913 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 113	Well, this all makes me glad I am running a fictional league... therefore, I am in control, and I make the rules, and I decree that hitting streaks can carry over from one season to the next! =o) Being in control RULES! Hahaha.

04-14-2002, 05:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,498 Thanked 135x in 116 posts Infractions: 1/0 (0)	He went to the Royals in 98, then back to the Reds in 99 and was traded to the Tigers in 2000. __________________ Riley! White people have pools! Twitter. Facebook. Photobucket.

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