Players coming out of retirement???

Lucas718 · 03-09-2002, 05:16 AM

Here's a weird one:

I'm running a historical league starting in 1901. After the 1902 season Hugh Duffy retires and enters the Hall of Fame.

Fast forward to 1912...

I notice in the league leaders that some guy named Duffy is third in the league in batting average, hitting .338. So I investigate and find that it is the same Hugh Duffy who retired a full 10 years earlier.

What's really weird is that his career stats didn't show anything after 1902 - even though he was supposedly hitting .338 for 1912.

So I released him to free agency and he disappears. He doesn't show up in the free agent list, but the real Hugh Duffy is still in the Hall of Fame with the correct stats.

Very strange.

St.Lunatic · 03-09-2002, 06:20 AM

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Khaos · 03-09-2002, 06:26 AM

The Michael Jordan or George Foreman of old time baseball.

Dwolfson20 · 03-09-2002, 06:54 AM

I had a player "un-retire" also. He had retired at the beginning of the year, but apparently changed his mind, and so some team signed him midway through the year. Wasn't a ten year difference though

GamingVoice.com · 03-09-2002, 05:12 PM

One thought -- and I don't know accurate this is -- but if Markus is using firstname, lastname as the primary key for the player database, it is theortically possible that the same name was created again and as such the records were confused with the original player. When you released him he didn't reappear because the original player (marked retired) was appearing first.

But this would be only a guess.

Arbiter · 03-09-2002, 05:15 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GamingVoice.com:
<strong>One thought -- and I don't know accurate this is -- but if Markus is using firstname, lastname as the primary key for the player database, it is theortically possible that the same name was created again and as such the records were confused with the original player. When you released him he didn't reappear because the original player (marked retired) was appearing first.

But this would be only a guess.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, in previous versions, players did have an internal ID number. I *hope* it's not keying on firstname, lastname, because in my 8-team org as it is I have two cases of duplicated names!

GamingVoice.com · 03-10-2002, 02:38 AM

Then it's probably not doing what I guessed

CMH · 03-10-2002, 01:48 PM

players do have their own ID numbers...if you look at past box scores in your game files you'll see numbers preceeding a players name. i would believe thats the players id number...so there shouldnt be a confusion with the same names. and i hope not because i'm planning to make myself and i dont wanna be confused with the venezuelan kid carlos e. hernandez from the astros.

Dwolfson20 · 03-10-2002, 03:48 PM

Yeah, it was definitely the same guy. He was still 30 years old for one thing, and all his other vitals were the same. I actually think it's a very cool feature, because that sort of thing happens very often in reality.

CMH · 03-10-2002, 08:41 PM

i think someone needs to check up on that guys birth certificate...i mean i've heard of guys being two years older and one guy even being one year younger, BUT this guy retired at 30 and ten years later came back at the age of...30??! hmm...is he dominican???

IronMan2632 · 03-11-2002, 02:59 AM

I drafted a starting pitcher in 2004, released him, and drafted him again in 2007.

03-09-2002, 05:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lucas718 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 209 Thanked 9x in 7 posts	Players coming out of retirement??? Here's a weird one: I'm running a historical league starting in 1901. After the 1902 season Hugh Duffy retires and enters the Hall of Fame. Fast forward to 1912... I notice in the league leaders that some guy named Duffy is third in the league in batting average, hitting .338. So I investigate and find that it is the same Hugh Duffy who retired a full 10 years earlier. What's really weird is that his career stats didn't show anything after 1902 - even though he was supposedly hitting .338 for 1912. So I released him to free agency and he disappears. He doesn't show up in the free agent list, but the real Hugh Duffy is still in the Hall of Fame with the correct stats. Very strange.

03-09-2002, 06:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
St.Lunatic Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 29	Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd..... <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> __________________ Download STLunatic's Pro Logos for OOTP4 @ <a href="http://www.ootpworld.com/ootp4/logos.html" target="_blank">OOTPWorld.com!</a>

03-09-2002, 06:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Khaos Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canfield, OH Posts: 473	The Michael Jordan or George Foreman of old time baseball. __________________ squish

03-09-2002, 06:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I had a player "un-retire" also. He had retired at the beginning of the year, but apparently changed his mind, and so some team signed him midway through the year. Wasn't a ten year difference though __________________

03-10-2002, 01:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 4,901 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	players do have their own ID numbers...if you look at past box scores in your game files you'll see numbers preceeding a players name. i would believe thats the players id number...so there shouldnt be a confusion with the same names. and i hope not because i'm planning to make myself and i dont wanna be confused with the venezuelan kid carlos e. hernandez from the astros. __________________ Formerly YankeePride

03-09-2002, 05:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
GamingVoice.com Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 76	One thought -- and I don't know accurate this is -- but if Markus is using firstname, lastname as the primary key for the player database, it is theortically possible that the same name was created again and as such the records were confused with the original player. When you released him he didn't reappear because the original player (marked retired) was appearing first. But this would be only a guess.

03-09-2002, 05:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Arbiter Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: College Station TX Posts: 127	[quote]Originally posted by GamingVoice.com: <strong>One thought -- and I don't know accurate this is -- but if Markus is using firstname, lastname as the primary key for the player database, it is theortically possible that the same name was created again and as such the records were confused with the original player. When you released him he didn't reappear because the original player (marked retired) was appearing first. But this would be only a guess. </strong><hr></blockquote> Well, in previous versions, players did have an internal ID number. I hope it's not keying on firstname, lastname, because in my 8-team org as it is I have two cases of duplicated names!

03-10-2002, 02:38 AM	#7 (permalink)
GamingVoice.com Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 76	Then it's probably not doing what I guessed

03-10-2002, 03:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Yeah, it was definitely the same guy. He was still 30 years old for one thing, and all his other vitals were the same. I actually think it's a very cool feature, because that sort of thing happens very often in reality. __________________

03-10-2002, 08:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 4,901 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	i think someone needs to check up on that guys birth certificate...i mean i've heard of guys being two years older and one guy even being one year younger, BUT this guy retired at 30 and ten years later came back at the age of...30??! hmm...is he dominican??? __________________ Formerly YankeePride

03-11-2002, 02:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
IronMan2632 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 37 Thanked 15x in 5 posts	I drafted a starting pitcher in 2004, released him, and drafted him again in 2007.

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