Ty Cobb - Page 2

Syd Thrift · 06-14-2006, 10:55 PM

Anybody who can play in the majors for that long has a little bit of luck on their side IMO. Obviously, Cobb was a heck of a player as well.

In related news, I had a guy hit .477 in a 154-game season 1901 replay. .477! I kid you not. He slipped a bit after that but finished his career with a .414 average in 11 seasons (1901 was the inaugural year so he missed his early 20s). I have to say, I have never seen that kind of individual player variation in the past. It always seemed like the league leader would hit 60 point or so above the league average and never any higher. One of the many little ways in which the engine has improved.

Jeremy Weimer · 06-14-2006, 11:03 PM

Cobb had a very nice career in my league. He played from 1905 until 1925. He played with the White Sox until midway through 1924 when he was traded to the Chicago Cubs. Where he finished that season and played there for 1925 as well. Here are the stats he finished with:

Hits: 3702
HR: 125
RBI: 1399
SB: 859
AVG: .301
OBP: .375
OPS: .804

Cowboys3356 · 06-15-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Anybody who can play in the majors for that long has a little bit of luck on their side IMO. Obviously, Cobb was a heck of a player as well.

In related news, I had a guy hit .477 in a 154-game season 1901 replay. .477! I kid you not. He slipped a bit after that but finished his career with a .414 average in 11 seasons (1901 was the inaugural year so he missed his early 20s). I have to say, I have never seen that kind of individual player variation in the past. It always seemed like the league leader would hit 60 point or so above the league average and never any higher. One of the many little ways in which the engine has improved.

I wouldn't consider the engine to be "improved" when guys are hitting .471 in a season and .414 for their career. I have seen numerous posts about players hitting over .400 for their career so it would look like the engine needs alot more work before it can be called improved.

BravesSince66 · 06-15-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

I wouldn't consider the engine to be "improved" when guys are hitting .471 in a season and .414 for their career. I have seen numerous posts about players hitting over .400 for their career so it would look like the engine needs alot more work before it can be called improved.

Well it's all in how you handle the modifiers for the league totals. After playing with the modifiers a bit I now have only minor issues. Overall I'd say the results in K's, BB's, 2B's, 3B's, HR's etc. are more realistic and easier to obtain with 2006. My results so far have been closer to historic ones than anything I got in 6.5. Here it's more about understanding the various modifiers and fine-tuning them. In 6.5 it was always a compromise...if you wanted some stats to work you had to sacrifice something else. I don't use the system's "automatic" historic modifiers. I turned those off and use my own.

Syd Thrift · 06-15-2006, 11:41 PM

Ironically, that .477 came the year I did the modifiers manually. Once the game took things over, players came back to normal. The primary reason the one guy hit .414 for his career is that he came into the bigs in the inaugural season at 28 or 29 and dropped out of it by the time he was 36 or so. You hit .477 one of the 7 or 8 full years you're in the league, you're going to have one fat average.

Honestly, I ended up throwing that season out because I kind of agree that .477 is too much. .440 I would have accepted since after all Nap Lajoie did hit .429 in '01. I still think that's cool because I never once saw a player flirt with .400 in any prior version.

TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin · 06-23-2006, 10:54 AM

Ty Cobb hitting .301, .320, or even .336 would be reprehensible by his standards. That's like 4 standard deviations subpar. It's like having 20 consecutive bad years. How is that 'nice'? Maybe by Fred Merkle's standards thats nice but this is TY COBB.

06-14-2006, 11:03 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Champlin, MN Posts: 3,325	Cobb had a very nice career in my league. He played from 1905 until 1925. He played with the White Sox until midway through 1924 when he was traded to the Chicago Cubs. Where he finished that season and played there for 1925 as well. Here are the stats he finished with: Hits: 3702 HR: 125 RBI: 1399 SB: 859 AVG: .301 OBP: .375 OPS: .804 __________________ GG - Miami Hurricanes

06-23-2006, 10:54 AM	#26 (permalink)
TheeeeeeeeeYankeesWin Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 72	Very Nice Career? Ty Cobb hitting .301, .320, or even .336 would be reprehensible by his standards. That's like 4 standard deviations subpar. It's like having 20 consecutive bad years. How is that 'nice'? Maybe by Fred Merkle's standards thats nice but this is TY COBB. __________________ "The phrase 'off with the crack of the bat', while romantic, is really meaningless, since the outfielder should be in motion long before he hears the sound of the ball meeting the bat."- Joe D.

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06-14-2006, 10:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,085 Warnings: 1	Anybody who can play in the majors for that long has a little bit of luck on their side IMO. Obviously, Cobb was a heck of a player as well. In related news, I had a guy hit .477 in a 154-game season 1901 replay. .477! I kid you not. He slipped a bit after that but finished his career with a .414 average in 11 seasons (1901 was the inaugural year so he missed his early 20s). I have to say, I have never seen that kind of individual player variation in the past. It always seemed like the league leader would hit 60 point or so above the league average and never any higher. One of the many little ways in which the engine has improved.

06-15-2006, 11:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
Syd Thrift Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,085 Warnings: 1	Ironically, that .477 came the year I did the modifiers manually. Once the game took things over, players came back to normal. The primary reason the one guy hit .414 for his career is that he came into the bigs in the inaugural season at 28 or 29 and dropped out of it by the time he was 36 or so. You hit .477 one of the 7 or 8 full years you're in the league, you're going to have one fat average. Honestly, I ended up throwing that season out because I kind of agree that .477 is too much. .440 I would have accepted since after all Nap Lajoie did hit .429 in '01. I still think that's cool because I never once saw a player flirt with .400 in any prior version.