Ty Cobb

glenmere14 · 06-06-2006, 10:40 AM

I have run about 6 sims so far - Ty Cobb always seems to finish with a career average of .320, well below his career .367 (or .366 depending on where you look).

Anyone seeing anything similar?

redmarkYankees · 06-06-2006, 11:12 AM

I've seen him have a CEI in three seperate sims now, usually in 1915. I think Markus has hardcoded it

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glenmere14 · 06-06-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

I've seen him have a CEI in three seperate sims now, usually in 1915. I think Markus has hardcoded it

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That's why I disabled injuries...

lewis31lewis52 · 06-06-2006, 01:51 PM

First four years with him, and he's yet to hit above .245, even though both of his contact ratings are 20. Kinda weird.

Bobbuttons · 06-06-2006, 02:29 PM

OOTPB 2006 doesn't know names, only ratings.

Jeremy Weimer · 06-06-2006, 03:13 PM

Ty Cobb 4 lyfe.

boilermaker · 06-06-2006, 05:18 PM

Poor Ty Cobb. Misunderstood in real and in OOTP 2006.

Bluenoser · 06-06-2006, 06:52 PM

Ty Cobb did quite well in one of the historical leagues I've run. I started this league in 1910, and Cobb played until 1925.

Career Highlights

Hit for the cycle 3 times
Won MVP twice
37 game hitting streak twice, once in 1912, once in 1923
Had 5 hits in a game twice and 6 hits in a game once

Played for the Tigers until 1919 when he was traded to the Browns. In 1924 he was traded to the Cubs and retired after the 1925 season. Hit .342 in his final season as a starter.

2957 Career Games
3879 Hits
655 Dbl's
275 Tpl's
112 Hr's
1513 Rbi's
1920 R's
1099 SB
474 CS

Career Avg, Obp, Slg, Ops - .337, .403, .470, .874

Never won a WS. Best season was 1911 when he hit .388 with a VORP of 101.3.

Tiger Fan · 06-06-2006, 09:34 PM

Cobb had a real rough go of things in the sim I just finished. Here are his injuries that sidelined him for more than 2 months only:
back injury 7 months
torn ACL 11 months
fractured skull 8 months
back injury 2 months
another 2 month injury
fractured ulna 2 months

Despite all of that he still managed to win an MVP and 3 Gold Gloves while getting 1390 hits and batting .289 for his career.

boilermaker · 06-07-2006, 04:32 PM

I just started a league starting in 1910 last night and sure enough, he broke his knee and retired via CEI about three months into the season. He actually wasn't putting up Ty Cobb-awesome numbers, but he was suitable enough, putting something like .300 and maybe 4 or 5 HRs. No weekly/monthly awards, no All Star hopes.

Can you unretire players? As a member of the Ty Cobb Fanclub, I may insist that a broken kneecap is nothing more than a hangnail for the Georgia Peach.

redmarkYankees · 06-07-2006, 04:40 PM

If you're still in the same season and are playing as Commish, you can edit the injury in the Editor screen, can't you?

boilermaker · 06-07-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

If you're still in the same season and are playing as Commish, you can edit the injury in the Editor screen, can't you?

Not at home, so I can't check, but I think it basically put him in a free agent/uninjured status and he was listed as "retired." In the editor screen, I think I can just put him back on the Tigers and all should be well. I think....

BravesSince66 · 06-14-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by glenmere14

Anyone seeing anything similar?

Yes. I've simmed the first decade several times under different modifier settings, trying to better understand the game engine. Cobb is usually not as impressive as Nap Lajoie. I figure Cobb was more lucky than good in (real) life....lol.

CONN CHRIS · 06-14-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BravesSince66

I figure Cobb was more lucky than good in (real) life....lol.

Absolute heresy.

Ankit · 06-14-2006, 04:43 PM

The reason is highly correlated with the DB you use. If you use the Lahman DB, Nap Lajoie will import in 1901, when he hit .426, with very high contact ratings. Cobb, will import in 1905 when he had a cup of coffee and did poorly. As a result, he starts with very low ratings and even though he has high potential ratings, he rarely will reach it. Try to import him in 1906 or 07 or using Arod/Garlon DB (assuming they have fixed this issue).

acetonic · 06-14-2006, 06:16 PM

I the league I'm running, post 1.1 patch, he is one of the dominant players in league history.
25 ML seasons
4365 Hits
1781 RBI
2849 Runs
1246 SB
.332 Avg
1747.7 VORP

I'm up to 1980 and Cobb, Ruth and Hornsby have most of the career records.
(1117 HR for The Bambino!)

HerbD · 06-14-2006, 06:25 PM

My Ty Cobb was a nine time all star that hit .321 for his career with 3013 hits.

Scoman · 06-14-2006, 08:35 PM

Ty who?

Dagrims · 06-14-2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Absolute heresy.

I knew before clicking on the thread that you'd find your way here.

CONN CHRIS · 06-14-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

I knew before clicking on the thread that you'd find your way here.

With the recent discovery of Tycobbia and all, I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Little know Cobb fact - He was the first major sports figure to star in a movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158971/

Then there's always the newsboy in Detroit that he may or may not have bludgeoned to death with a pistol handle. A lot of laughs that Ty was but he sure as hell wasn't a lucky ball player.

06-06-2006, 10:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
glenmere14 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 128 Thanked 6x in 3 posts	Ty Cobb I have run about 6 sims so far - Ty Cobb always seems to finish with a career average of .320, well below his career .367 (or .366 depending on where you look). Anyone seeing anything similar?

06-06-2006, 11:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,265 Thanked 33x in 22 posts	I've seen him have a CEI in three seperate sims now, usually in 1915. I think Markus has hardcoded it . __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-06-2006, 02:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Akron, OH, My Own Personal Hell Posts: 3,561 Thanked 191x in 89 posts	OOTPB 2006 doesn't know names, only ratings. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

06-06-2006, 05:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,870 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Poor Ty Cobb. Misunderstood in real and in OOTP 2006. __________________ ECHL Top 5 Career Regular Season Shutouts. 1. Marc Magliarditi (COH/FLA/LA/RMD/LV), 25 2. Jason Saal (SC/HRD/PEO/LA/DAY/ARK/AUG), 20 3. Daniel Berthiaume (RNK/WHL/GBO), 18 tied4. Alex Westlund (CHR/CIN/DAY/TOL/TRE), 15 Frederic Cloutier (LA/PEN), 15 Scott Stirling (ATC/PEO/TRE/FRE), 15

06-06-2006, 06:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 5,264 Thanked 372x in 244 posts	Ty Cobb did quite well in one of the historical leagues I've run. I started this league in 1910, and Cobb played until 1925. Career Highlights Hit for the cycle 3 times Won MVP twice 37 game hitting streak twice, once in 1912, once in 1923 Had 5 hits in a game twice and 6 hits in a game once Played for the Tigers until 1919 when he was traded to the Browns. In 1924 he was traded to the Cubs and retired after the 1925 season. Hit .342 in his final season as a starter. 2957 Career Games 3879 Hits 655 Dbl's 275 Tpl's 112 Hr's 1513 Rbi's 1920 R's 1099 SB 474 CS Career Avg, Obp, Slg, Ops - .337, .403, .470, .874 Never won a WS. Best season was 1911 when he hit .388 with a VORP of 101.3. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

06-06-2006, 01:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
lewis31lewis52 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Central Michigan University Posts: 580	First four years with him, and he's yet to hit above .245, even though both of his contact ratings are 20. Kinda weird.

06-06-2006, 03:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Champlin, MN Posts: 3,372 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Ty Cobb 4 lyfe.

06-06-2006, 09:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 5,443 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Cobb had a real rough go of things in the sim I just finished. Here are his injuries that sidelined him for more than 2 months only: back injury 7 months torn ACL 11 months fractured skull 8 months back injury 2 months another 2 month injury fractured ulna 2 months Despite all of that he still managed to win an MVP and 3 Gold Gloves while getting 1390 hits and batting .289 for his career. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles My current dynasty - Fictional Breda Baseball League

06-07-2006, 04:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,870 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I just started a league starting in 1910 last night and sure enough, he broke his knee and retired via CEI about three months into the season. He actually wasn't putting up Ty Cobb-awesome numbers, but he was suitable enough, putting something like .300 and maybe 4 or 5 HRs. No weekly/monthly awards, no All Star hopes. Can you unretire players? As a member of the Ty Cobb Fanclub, I may insist that a broken kneecap is nothing more than a hangnail for the Georgia Peach. __________________ ECHL Top 5 Career Regular Season Shutouts. 1. Marc Magliarditi (COH/FLA/LA/RMD/LV), 25 2. Jason Saal (SC/HRD/PEO/LA/DAY/ARK/AUG), 20 3. Daniel Berthiaume (RNK/WHL/GBO), 18 tied4. Alex Westlund (CHR/CIN/DAY/TOL/TRE), 15 Frederic Cloutier (LA/PEN), 15 Scott Stirling (ATC/PEO/TRE/FRE), 15

06-07-2006, 04:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,265 Thanked 33x in 22 posts	If you're still in the same season and are playing as Commish, you can edit the injury in the Editor screen, can't you? __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-14-2006, 04:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ankit All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bangalore, India Posts: 597	The reason is highly correlated with the DB you use. If you use the Lahman DB, Nap Lajoie will import in 1901, when he hit .426, with very high contact ratings. Cobb, will import in 1905 when he had a cup of coffee and did poorly. As a result, he starts with very low ratings and even though he has high potential ratings, he rarely will reach it. Try to import him in 1906 or 07 or using Arod/Garlon DB (assuming they have fixed this issue).

06-14-2006, 06:16 PM	#16 (permalink)
acetonic Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 106	I the league I'm running, post 1.1 patch, he is one of the dominant players in league history. 25 ML seasons 4365 Hits 1781 RBI 2849 Runs 1246 SB .332 Avg 1747.7 VORP I'm up to 1980 and Cobb, Ruth and Hornsby have most of the career records. (1117 HR for The Bambino!)

06-14-2006, 06:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
HerbD Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 304 Thanked 18x in 14 posts	My Ty Cobb was a nine time all star that hit .321 for his career with 3013 hits.

06-14-2006, 08:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,471 Thanked 16x in 12 posts	Ty who?

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