1871-2005 Financial coefficients up

Raidergoo · 06-08-2006, 02:29 PM

My GDP share calulated financial coefficients from 1871-2005 are now available for download.

http://www.allsimbaseball.com/index....d=18&Itemid=37

. . .and someone d/l it before it was even announced.

redsox45 · 06-08-2006, 03:03 PM

haven't downloaded yet, but if it's as good as the 1900-2004 stuff, it'll be fantastic....!

Will

Raidergoo · 06-08-2006, 04:02 PM

It is the same stuff, using same calculations, adding 1871-1899, plus 2005.

Cooleyvol · 06-08-2006, 05:20 PM

goo,

Do you have ticket prices and average attendance worked out?

Raidergoo · 06-08-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

goo,

Do you have ticket prices and average attendance worked out?

I have done attendance back to 1969. I stopped at that point as the research past that point slowed down. It would take a day or so to get the data from retrosheet and get it into shape.

Because of that, I have not touched average ticket price. I image therre has got to be a nifty equation that can be developed to take the suggested ticket price (based on 30K attendance) and then multiply it by 30000/actual avg attendance.

Sound like work!

EDIT

Well, maybe not . . .

I did not anticipate this spreadsheet being a minor hit with historical simmers. I am not a big historical simmer, which is odd because I am a history nut. I ought to be polishing it, I suppose,as I have been told it has increased their enjoyment of the game.

If I can do my Moldava mod in an afternoon, I can figure out average attendance with retrosheet, then relate the two sets of data.

Raidergoo · 06-08-2006, 09:58 PM

Rough draft done for the merging of my financial coefficients and average attendance figures since 1890.

Looks like ticket prices are just under 50 cents right up until the start of WW II.

Any one happy with this?

Year,Avg Attend,Ticket
1890,1440,$0.40
1891,2414,$0.25
1892,1979,$0.32
1893,2834,$0.21
1894,3061,$0.18
1895,3630,$0.16
1896,3663,$0.16
1897,3568,$0.17
1898,2576,$0.27
1899,2759,$0.27
1900,3215,$0.25
1901,3245,$0.26
1902,3493,$0.27
1903,4251,$0.24
1904,4554,$0.22
1905,4734,$0.23
1906,4658,$0.26
1907,4898,$0.27
1908,5726,$0.20
1909,5831,$0.21
1910,4968,$0.26
1911,5313,$0.25
1912,4868,$0.29
1913,5156,$0.29
1914,3543,$0.40
1915,3908,$0.38
1916,5215,$0.37
1917,4187,$0.55
1918,3032,$0.96
1919,5842,$0.51
1920,7391,$0.46
1921,7003,$0.40
1922,7123,$0.40
1923,7034,$0.47
1924,7794,$0.43
1925,7767,$0.45
1926,7969,$0.47
1927,8029,$0.46
1928,7396,$0.51
1929,7801,$0.51
1930,8210,$0.43
1931,6851,$0.43
1932,5656,$0.40
1933,4966,$0.44
1934,5692,$0.44
1935,5982,$0.47
1936,6529,$0.49
1937,7214,$0.49
1938,7365,$0.45
1939,7293,$0.48
1940,7947,$0.49
1941,7789,$0.62
1942,6988,$0.89
1943,6031,$1.26
1944,7066,$1.19
1945,8815,$0.97
1946,14914,$0.57
1947,15991,$0.59
1948,16914,$0.61
1949,16307,$0.63
1950,14105,$0.80
1951,13022,$1.00
1952,11807,$1.16
1953,11599,$1.25
1954,12883,$1.13
1955,13465,$1.18
1956,13351,$1.26
1957,13777,$1.28
1958,14144,$1.27
1959,15463,$1.26
1960,16108,$1.25
1961,13319,$1.57
1962,13185,$1.70
1963,12646,$1.87
1964,13090,$1.94
1965,13822,$2.00
1966,15588,$1.94
1967,15005,$2.13
1968,14217,$2.45
1969,13993,$2.70
1970,14790,$2.69
1971,15055,$2.87
1972,14506,$3.27
1973,15497,$3.42
1974,15438,$3.73
1975,15396,$4.08
1976,16149,$4.33
1977,18493,$4.21
1978,19430,$4.53
1979,20822,$4.72
1980,20524,$5.21
1981,19066,$6.29
1982,21231,$5.88
1983,21631,$6.27
1984,21266,$7.09
1985,22315,$7.25
1986,22623,$7.57
1987,24764,$7.34
1988,25241,$7.75
1989,26186,$8.03
1990,25985,$8.56
1991,26891,$8.55
1992,26406,$9.20
1993,30964,$8.25
1994,31253,$8.68
1995,25022,$11.34
1996,26510,$11.31
1997,27877,$11.42
1998,28989,$11.57
1999,28838,$12.33
2000,29289,$12.85
2001,29826,$13.02
2002,27964,$14.36
2003,27795,$15.14
2004,30005,$15.00
2005,30724,$15.59

Jeremy Weimer · 06-08-2006, 10:32 PM

Why is the ticket price so high in 1890 compared to other years from that era? I'm in no way trying to say it's inaccurate, just curious as to what made it so much more in that year.

That looks like a pretty damn good start to me. Good job.

Raidergoo · 06-08-2006, 10:51 PM

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whitten.panic.1893

Short version. . .the economy went boom and there was a major depression.

Jeremy Weimer · 06-08-2006, 11:00 PM

Ah, thanks for the info.

Raidergoo · 06-09-2006, 07:21 AM

Here are the coefficients, average attendance, and a suggested ticket price based on those figures.

I have emailed them to F. Montoya.

BravesSince66 · 06-09-2006, 08:58 AM

Thanks goo!

marky32082 · 06-09-2006, 09:28 AM

Fantastic stuff. Thanks!

molarmite · 06-09-2006, 01:15 PM

Thanks a lot.

QuestGAV · 06-09-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Here are the coefficients, average attendance, and a suggested ticket price based on those figures.

I have emailed them to F. Montoya.

Many thanks. This stuff is a big help setting up my leagues.

Cortes · 06-09-2006, 09:52 PM

Starting a league in 1901 with the following financial settings:

Cash max: 19,100
Min salary: 668
Superstar player: 30,560
Star player: 22,920
Good player: 13,370
Media average: 47,750
Ticket price: .26

As you can see these are the figures from the spreadsheet yet I'm getting players making over a million dollars. Anyone else seeing this, or am I doing something wrong?

Raidergoo · 06-09-2006, 09:55 PM

Don't know.

Are all salaries messed up? Or just a portion?

Cortes · 06-09-2006, 10:03 PM

Well pretty much every team has players making the minimum then several players making in the thousands, then several in the hundred thousands, then one or two in the one to two million range. I've started two leagues with the figures to make sure it wasn't just a fluke, but same thing. I've also selected make fictional contracts thinking that would force contracts based on these figures, but no help. Is the financial coefficient supposed to be the default 1.000?

Raidergoo · 06-09-2006, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cortes

Well pretty much every team has players making the minimum then several players making in the thousands, then several in the hundred thousands, then one or two in the one to two million range. I've started two leagues with the figures to make sure it wasn't just a fluke, but same thing. I've also selected make fictional contracts thinking that would force contracts based on these figures, but no help. Is the financial coefficient supposed to be the default 1.000?

You might be on to a bug. It sounds like just editing the curve and not touching the coefficient allows some wild contracts.

Try again, this time with a coefficient of 0.00191. Then, set your variables as you had above. Then report back with data.

Raidergoo · 06-09-2006, 10:19 PM

I dont see any listed:
avg coach
above average
average
below average
fair
poor

If you manually set the salary curve like you are doing, all of the lines must be altered, otherwise you can get a roller coaster like wage curve.

Cortes · 06-09-2006, 10:29 PM

Well the good news is there is no bug! I didn't realize the screen scrolled down further - I was wondering why you listed fair, below, etc. on the spreadsheet. Sorry still getting used to the interface I guess. Anyway thanks for the help, and thanks for putting these numbers together, everything looks great (I didn't touch the coefficient).

06-08-2006, 02:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	1871-2005 Financial coefficients up My GDP share calulated financial coefficients from 1871-2005 are now available for download. http://www.allsimbaseball.com/index....d=18&Itemid=37 . . .and someone d/l it before it was even announced.

06-08-2006, 03:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
redsox45 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Machias, Maine Posts: 4,571 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	haven't downloaded yet, but if it's as good as the 1900-2004 stuff, it'll be fantastic....! Will __________________ Top Five Books I Ever Read: 1. Murder of Roger Ackroyd -- Agatha Christie 2. Birds of Prey -- Wilbur Smith 3. King Solomon's Mines - H. Rider Haggard 4. Comstock Lode -- Louis L'Amour 5. Andersonville -- McKinley Kantor

06-08-2006, 05:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Woodland Mills, TN Posts: 5,993 Thanks: 57 Thanked 506x in 304 posts	goo, Do you have ticket prices and average attendance worked out? __________________

06-08-2006, 10:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whitten.panic.1893 Short version. . .the economy went boom and there was a major depression. Last edited by Raidergoo; 06-08-2006 at 10:52 PM.

06-09-2006, 07:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	Here are the coefficients, average attendance, and a suggested ticket price based on those figures. I have emailed them to F. Montoya. Last edited by Raidergoo; 04-17-2007 at 11:03 AM.

06-08-2006, 04:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	It is the same stuff, using same calculations, adding 1871-1899, plus 2005.

06-08-2006, 09:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	Rough draft done for the merging of my financial coefficients and average attendance figures since 1890. Looks like ticket prices are just under 50 cents right up until the start of WW II. Any one happy with this? Year,Avg Attend,Ticket 1890,1440,$0.40 1891,2414,$0.25 1892,1979,$0.32 1893,2834,$0.21 1894,3061,$0.18 1895,3630,$0.16 1896,3663,$0.16 1897,3568,$0.17 1898,2576,$0.27 1899,2759,$0.27 1900,3215,$0.25 1901,3245,$0.26 1902,3493,$0.27 1903,4251,$0.24 1904,4554,$0.22 1905,4734,$0.23 1906,4658,$0.26 1907,4898,$0.27 1908,5726,$0.20 1909,5831,$0.21 1910,4968,$0.26 1911,5313,$0.25 1912,4868,$0.29 1913,5156,$0.29 1914,3543,$0.40 1915,3908,$0.38 1916,5215,$0.37 1917,4187,$0.55 1918,3032,$0.96 1919,5842,$0.51 1920,7391,$0.46 1921,7003,$0.40 1922,7123,$0.40 1923,7034,$0.47 1924,7794,$0.43 1925,7767,$0.45 1926,7969,$0.47 1927,8029,$0.46 1928,7396,$0.51 1929,7801,$0.51 1930,8210,$0.43 1931,6851,$0.43 1932,5656,$0.40 1933,4966,$0.44 1934,5692,$0.44 1935,5982,$0.47 1936,6529,$0.49 1937,7214,$0.49 1938,7365,$0.45 1939,7293,$0.48 1940,7947,$0.49 1941,7789,$0.62 1942,6988,$0.89 1943,6031,$1.26 1944,7066,$1.19 1945,8815,$0.97 1946,14914,$0.57 1947,15991,$0.59 1948,16914,$0.61 1949,16307,$0.63 1950,14105,$0.80 1951,13022,$1.00 1952,11807,$1.16 1953,11599,$1.25 1954,12883,$1.13 1955,13465,$1.18 1956,13351,$1.26 1957,13777,$1.28 1958,14144,$1.27 1959,15463,$1.26 1960,16108,$1.25 1961,13319,$1.57 1962,13185,$1.70 1963,12646,$1.87 1964,13090,$1.94 1965,13822,$2.00 1966,15588,$1.94 1967,15005,$2.13 1968,14217,$2.45 1969,13993,$2.70 1970,14790,$2.69 1971,15055,$2.87 1972,14506,$3.27 1973,15497,$3.42 1974,15438,$3.73 1975,15396,$4.08 1976,16149,$4.33 1977,18493,$4.21 1978,19430,$4.53 1979,20822,$4.72 1980,20524,$5.21 1981,19066,$6.29 1982,21231,$5.88 1983,21631,$6.27 1984,21266,$7.09 1985,22315,$7.25 1986,22623,$7.57 1987,24764,$7.34 1988,25241,$7.75 1989,26186,$8.03 1990,25985,$8.56 1991,26891,$8.55 1992,26406,$9.20 1993,30964,$8.25 1994,31253,$8.68 1995,25022,$11.34 1996,26510,$11.31 1997,27877,$11.42 1998,28989,$11.57 1999,28838,$12.33 2000,29289,$12.85 2001,29826,$13.02 2002,27964,$14.36 2003,27795,$15.14 2004,30005,$15.00 2005,30724,$15.59

06-08-2006, 10:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Why is the ticket price so high in 1890 compared to other years from that era? I'm in no way trying to say it's inaccurate, just curious as to what made it so much more in that year. That looks like a pretty damn good start to me. Good job.

06-08-2006, 11:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Ah, thanks for the info.

06-09-2006, 08:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
BravesSince66 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 238 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Great Stuff! Thanks goo!

06-09-2006, 09:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
marky32082 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 283 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Fantastic stuff. Thanks! __________________ These pretzels are making me thirsty!

06-09-2006, 01:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,790 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 42 Thanked 81x in 53 posts	Thanks a lot. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein[/SIZE] "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps."

06-09-2006, 09:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Cortes Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Starting a league in 1901 with the following financial settings: Cash max: 19,100 Min salary: 668 Superstar player: 30,560 Star player: 22,920 Good player: 13,370 Media average: 47,750 Ticket price: .26 As you can see these are the figures from the spreadsheet yet I'm getting players making over a million dollars. Anyone else seeing this, or am I doing something wrong?

06-09-2006, 09:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	Don't know. Are all salaries messed up? Or just a portion?

06-09-2006, 10:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cortes Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Well pretty much every team has players making the minimum then several players making in the thousands, then several in the hundred thousands, then one or two in the one to two million range. I've started two leagues with the figures to make sure it wasn't just a fluke, but same thing. I've also selected make fictional contracts thinking that would force contracts based on these figures, but no help. Is the financial coefficient supposed to be the default 1.000?

06-09-2006, 10:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	I dont see any listed: avg coach above average average below average fair poor If you manually set the salary curve like you are doing, all of the lines must be altered, otherwise you can get a roller coaster like wage curve.

06-09-2006, 10:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
Cortes Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Well the good news is there is no bug! I didn't realize the screen scrolled down further - I was wondering why you listed fair, below, etc. on the spreadsheet. Sorry still getting used to the interface I guess. Anyway thanks for the help, and thanks for putting these numbers together, everything looks great (I didn't touch the coefficient).

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