Gambo Database/Rotation/Relievers

[pstrickert]

I used the Gambo database to import the 1957 season. I noticed that most teams only have 8 pitchers on their active roster. Is this normal for the late 1950s? I would have expected 9 or 10 pitchers. I also noticed that prominent starting pitchers are identified as relief pitchers (e.g., Don Larson is listed as MR rather than SP -- I also saw Lew Burdette listed on the Reserve Roster instead of the Active Roster. What's up with that?). Is this simply an AI problem? Is there anything I can do to make sure this doesn't happen? Or do I have to make changes to every team's roster to get things right? Thanks.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I used the Gambo database to import the 1957 season. I noticed that most teams only have 8 pitchers on their active roster. Is this normal for the late 1950s? I would have expected 9 or 10 pitchers. I also noticed that prominent starting pitchers are identified as relief pitchers (e.g., Don Larson is listed as MR rather than SP -- I also saw Lew Burdette listed on the Reserve Roster instead of the Active Roster. What's up with that?). Is this simply an AI problem? Is there anything I can do to make sure this doesn't happen? Or do I have to make changes to every team's roster to get things right? Thanks.

It switches player roles and places players on active/reserve even with Lahman so I would guess it's the AI doing it. Also, late 50's did carry fewer pitchers for the most part. They tended to use 4 man rotations and the "closer" role was pretty much nonexistant. Back then they used their best relievers as needed, not assigning them specific roles.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

It switches player roles and places players on active/reserve even with Lahman so I would guess it's the AI doing it. Also, late 50's did carry fewer pitchers for the most part. They tended to use 4 man rotations and the "closer" role was pretty much nonexistant. Back then they used their best relievers as needed, not assigning them specific roles.

Does this bother people who prefer playing historical seasons? Do you manually change lineups, rotations, etc. -- or do you let it go? I'm just curious.

[plannine]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I used the Gambo database to import the 1957 season. I noticed that most teams only have 8 pitchers on their active roster. Is this normal for the late 1950s? I would have expected 9 or 10 pitchers. I also noticed that prominent starting pitchers are identified as relief pitchers (e.g., Don Larson is listed as MR rather than SP -- I also saw Lew Burdette listed on the Reserve Roster instead of the Active Roster. What's up with that?). Is this simply an AI problem? Is there anything I can do to make sure this doesn't happen? Or do I have to make changes to every team's roster to get things right? Thanks.

This is just my guess:

Larsen would have been the 5th or 6th starter (in a 4 man rotation era):
Tom Sturdivant 28/22 games started/decisions
Johnny Kucks 23/18
Bob Turley 23/19
Bobby Shantz 21/16
Don Larsen 20/14
Whitey Ford 17/16

For Lew, he has the worst era of the 4 primary starters, the 5th starter is better then him for the season. As long as it didnt pass him over for Red Murff.

Does this bother people who prefer playing historical seasons? Do you manually change lineups, rotations, etc. -- or do you let it go? I'm just curious.

For me,
if im trying to recreate a season with stock teams, i use APBA (Baseball for Windows).
If im trying to create a new baseball history i use OOTP.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by plannine

This is just my guess:

Larsen would have been the 5th or 6th starter (in a 4 man rotation era):
Tom Sturdivant 28/22 games started/decisions
Johnny Kucks 23/18
Bob Turley 23/19
Bobby Shantz 21/16
Don Larsen 20/14
Whitey Ford 17/16

For Lew, he has the worst era of the 4 primary starters, the 5th starter is better then him for the season. As long as it didnt pass him over for Red Murff.



For me,
if im trying to recreate a season with stock teams, i use APBA (Baseball for Windows).
If im trying to create a new baseball history i use OOTP.

My guess is since all have under 30 starts, it was a 4 man rotation but cuz of injuries or whatever pitchers were thrown in the rotation as the situation dictated. Who knows.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Does this bother people who prefer playing historical seasons? Do you manually change lineups, rotations, etc. -- or do you let it go? I'm just curious.

I am replaying the 1969 season and I manually fixed the rosters and pitching rotations and player roles. It took time, but I wanted it as realistic as possible. Some players were given positions they hadn't ever played.

I do wish we were allowed to determine, before importing a league, if we want the computer to arrange things or we want to have control over that. Pitchers with close to 40 starts were not MR. Sheesh.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by plannine

This is just my guess:

Larsen would have been the 5th or 6th starter (in a 4 man rotation era):
Tom Sturdivant 28/22 games started/decisions
Johnny Kucks 23/18
Bob Turley 23/19
Bobby Shantz 21/16
Don Larsen 20/14
Whitey Ford 17/16

For Lew, he has the worst era of the 4 primary starters, the 5th starter is better then him for the season. As long as it didnt pass him over for Red Murff.

Burdette started 30+ games the previous three seasons. He was coming off a 19-win season in 1956. How is he not a starter at the beginning of 1957? I don't get it.

Here's the NYY rotation: Turley - Ford - Grim - Shantz
Kucks is sitting on the Reserve Roster
Sturdivant is listed as the Closer!

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I am replaying the 1969 season and I manually fixed the rosters and pitching rotations and player roles. It took time, but I wanted it as realistic as possible. Some players were given positions they hadn't ever played.

I do wish we were allowed to determine, before importing a league, if we want the computer to arrange things or we want to have control over that. Pitchers with close to 40 starts were not MR. Sheesh.

Do you try to limit playing time? Here's what I mean: Let's say Billy Williams hit 20 home runs in 100 games in 1969 in real life. Do you try to play him 162 games, to get the most out of him? Even if that means he doubles his real life HR total for 1969? That would bother some people, I suppose. If you were to limit playing time, how would you do it? In the depth chart? Make sure his backup started every third game?

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

Do you try to limit playing time? Here's what I mean: Let's say Billy Williams hit 20 home runs in 100 games in 1969 in real life. Do you try to play him 162 games, to get the most out of him? Even if that means he doubles his real life HR total for 1969? That would bother some people, I suppose. If you were to limit playing time, how would you do it? In the depth chart? Make sure his backup started every third game?

Well this may sound stupid, but I do control all teams, tho I do allow the bench coach handle pitching and defensive choices. The reason for this is that I try to keep player usage fairly close to the real thing. I also make sure trades and free agent signings occur as they did irl. Having a player traded to some team in August on that team's roster for the entire season doesn't work for me. I like to see how much of an impact I have on teams by my coaching style while keeping player usage similar to the real thing.

I have found AI in ANY game out there is not very good in historical replays. For example, Ron Blomberg who hit .500 in 6 at-bats was used all the time by the AI resulting in 400 AB's and a .450 BA. I do import players with no penalty to their ratings since I am controlling the usage.

And to be honest one of the reasons I like to control teams in historical leagues is to get a better idea how the game engine works. Gives me a point of reference that I know about.